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    Paris False Flag

    Post  enemyofNWO on Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:01 am


    After the “ terrorist act “ in Paris, an observer can notices a few signs indicating that this act was
    organized wtih the complicity of the French government .
    As it was the case in numerous other organized False Flags , the French Government organized for the benefit of the security services of France a simulation of a multiple terrorist act . This is a sure sign that the French government knew the details of the “ terrorist act “ and let it happen .
    Another hint is provided by the Times of Israel quoted on Voltaire. org this is the text “
    Selon la version anglaise du Times of Israel, citant Jonathan-Simon Sellem (photo), des « responsables de la sécurité de la communauté juive française » auraient été prévenus le matin du 13 novembre 2015 de l’imminence d’une « vaste attaque terroriste » dans le pays [1]. “
    “ according to the English version of “ Times of israel “ quoting Jonathan -Simo Dellem (photo ) people responsible of the security of the Jewish community in France were advised the morning of the 13 November 2015 of a imminent vaste terrorist attack in the country “

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article189278.html
    So the Jewish community in France knew about the terrorist act . The Jewish community in France
    has 600 thousand people .
    The Jewish owner of the Bataclan sold that theatre a few month ago ! It resembles the twin tower insurance fiasco , the new owner knew what was the plan and made a fortune .
    Now things get interesting . Holland is a Puppet of the USA and Israel . In Holland's government there are a few Zionists ministers . We know that those traitors are loyal first of all to the Apartheid state and LAST to the French citizens . They would not think twice to sacrifice French “ Goyim “ on the altar of a greater Israel . The greater israel wet dream went in smoke the moment Russia entered Syria so this event threw a spanner in the Greater israel plan . Something had to be done to redress the situation and so the terror act in Paris happened .
    This is the front page of the Italian Newspaper “ La repubblica “ :
    “ Arrestati a Bruxelles due artificieri delle stragi. La Francia chiede assistenza militare a Ue “
    Two planners of the massacre have been arrested . France ask military assistance to the EU .

    http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2015/11/17/news/parigi_terrorismo_belgio-127529828/?ref=HREA-1
    Now Holland wants the EU to declare war on ISIS and with this device the EU “ Goyim “ or cattle will possibly die for a greater Israel . I hope the EU traitors in Bruxell do not fall for this trick . Israel must learn to fight alone his enemies .
    Now the plan is clear involve the EU cattles in the defence of the Apartheid state to keep the greater Israel dream alive .
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    Ole Dammegard: Pres. Hollande, G-20, Climate Summit part of Paris Friday 13th classic False Flag

    Post  enemyofNWO on Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:39 pm


    Ole Dammegard: Pres. Hollande, G-20, Climate Summit part of Paris Friday 13th classic False Flag

    Watch video . A False Flag dissected .. ....

    quote " VANCOUVER, BC – In a tour de force analysis of the Friday 13th False Flag synthetic terror operation, author Ole Dammegard once again deconstructs an organized intelligence operations group that carries out False Flag operations employing crisis actors using a methodology very much like film crews at a movie set. This False Flag Group attempts to drive global policy using the now out-dated formula Problem + Reaction = Solution. "



    https://newsinsideout.com/2015/11/2416/
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    Re: FRANCE NOW

    Post  burgundia on Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:53 am

    watch from 5:30

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    Re: FRANCE NOW

    Post  bobhardee on Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:34 pm

    11/22/2015
    This was sent to me and I thought it worthy enough to pass on.

    FOOD FOR THOUGHT...

    Here is a perspective by Dr. Peter Hammond, who was born in Cape Town in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to
    Christianity . . . Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:
    The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

    Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult.
    In its fullest form, it is a complete,
    total, 100% system of life.

    Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military
    components.
    The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

    Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate
    for their religious privileges.
    When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to
    Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend
    to creep in as well.

    Here's how it works:

    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given
    country, they will be for the most part regarded as a peace-loving
    minority and not as a threat to
    other citizens. This is the case in:

    United States -- Muslim 0.6%
    Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
    Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
    China -- Muslim 1.8%
    Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
    Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and
    disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among
    street gangs.
    This is happening in:

    Denmark -- Muslim 2%
    Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
    Spain -- Muslim 4%
    Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their
    percentage of the population.
    For example, they will push for the introduction of halal
    (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for
    Muslims.
    They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their
    shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.
    This is occurring in:

    France -- Muslim 8%
    Philippines -- 5%
    Sweden -- Muslim 5%
    Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow
    them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia,
    the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia
    law over the entire world.
    When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase
    lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.
    In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action
    offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats,
    such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films
    about Islam.
    Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

    Guyana -- Muslim 10%
    India -- Muslim 13.4%
    Israel -- Muslim 16%
    Kenya -- Muslim 10%
    Russia -- Muslim 15%

    After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad
    militia formations, sporadic killings,
    and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

    Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

    At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror
    attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

    Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
    Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

    From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers
    of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims),
    sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon,
    and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

    Albania -- Muslim 70%
    Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan -- Muslim 70%

    After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run
    ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these
    nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as
    has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

    Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
    Egypt -- Muslim 90%
    Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
    Iran -- Muslim 98%
    Iraq -- Muslim 97%
    Jordan -- Muslim 92%
    Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
    Palestine -- Muslim 99%
    Syria -- Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
    Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House
    of Peace. Here, there's supposed to be peace,
    because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and
    the Koran is the only word, such as in:

    Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
    Somalia -- Muslim 100%
    Yemen -- Muslim 100%

    Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the
    most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred,
    and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a
    variety of reasons.

    ‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was
    me against my brother; me and my brother against
    our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan
    against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us
    against the infidel.’ -- Leon Uris, The Haj.

    It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under
    100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority
    Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim,
    and within which they live by Sharia Law.

    The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no
    national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities.
    In such situations, Muslims do not integrate in to the community at
    large. The children attend Madrasses. They learn only the Koran.
    To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.

    Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and
    extremists exercise more power than the national average would
    indicate.

    Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population.
    But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists,
    Jews, and all other believers.
    Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
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    Re: FRANCE NOW

    Post  Pris on Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:21 pm

    bobhardee wrote:11/22/2015
    This was sent to me and I thought it worthy enough to pass on.

        FOOD FOR THOUGHT...


    Food for thought, bobhardee?

    How about FOOD FOR FEAR, HATE, AND WAR MONGERING?

    How about FOOD FOR ISLAMOPHOBIA?
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    Re: FRANCE NOW

    Post  Pris on Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:25 pm

    burgundia wrote:watch from 5:30


    This is an awesome video, thanks burgundia!  Thanks for starting this thread!

    Great OP video, too!

    I will repost them in my thread:


    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t8525-paris-shooting-10-ways-it-looks-like-a-hallmark-false-flag-op
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    Re: FRANCE NOW

    Post  bobhardee on Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:32 am

    Pris
    I don't like it any more than you and not trying to advocate anything other than here is some data that needs to be considered.
    Thanks for being open minded.
    Bob H.

    Another interesting view point.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0iM-b80pIU
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    Re: FRANCE NOW

    Post  Pris on Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:41 pm

    bobhardee wrote:Pris
    I don't like it any more than you and not trying to advocate anything other than here is some data that needs to be considered.
    Thanks for being open minded.
    Bob H.

    Another interesting view point.

    It's not difficult to dig up dirt on any country or any group of people, religious or otherwise, in order to smear them.  Why don't you include what the States has done?  France?  Britain?  Israel?  Christians?  Zionists? Etc?  If you're going to post your 'interesting view points', why not keep the perspective balanced and include everyone because everyone is involved.

    We do not need to fan the fires of intolerance.  Let's stop waging the wars the psychopaths set up for us and keep focused on target.
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    Re: FRANCE NOW

    Post  shiloh on Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:40 am

    bobhardee wrote:11/22/2015
    This was sent to me and I thought it worthy enough to pass on.

        FOOD FOR THOUGHT...

               Here is a perspective by Dr. Peter Hammond, who was born in Cape Town in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to
               Christianity . . .  Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book:  Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:
               The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
    FOOD FOR THOUGHT...
    Here is a perspective by Dr. Peter Hammond, who was born in Cape Town in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity . . .

    Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:

    The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

    Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult.
    In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

    Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components.
    The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

    Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
    When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

    Here's how it works:
    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to other citizens.
    This is the case in:

    United States -- Muslim 0.6%
    Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
    Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
    China -- Muslim 1.8%
    Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
    Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
    This is happening in:

    Denmark -- Muslim 2%
    Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
    Spain -- Muslim 4%
    Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
    For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.
    They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.
    This is occurring in:

    France -- Muslim 8%
    Philippines -- 5%
    Sweden -- Muslim 5%
    Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
    When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.
    In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.
    Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

    Guyana -- Muslim 10%
    India -- Muslim 13.4%
    Israel -- Muslim 16%
    Kenya -- Muslim 10%
    Russia -- Muslim 15%

    After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

    Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

    At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

    Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
    Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

    From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

    Albania -- Muslim 70%
    Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan -- Muslim 70%

    After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

    Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
    Egypt -- Muslim 90%
    Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
    Iran -- Muslim 98%
    Iraq -- Muslim 97%
    Jordan -- Muslim 92%
    Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
    Palestine -- Muslim 99%
    Syria -- Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
    Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here, there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

    Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
    Somalia -- Muslim 100%
    Yemen -- Muslim 100%

    Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

    ‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel.’ -- Leon Uris, The Haj.

    It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law.

    The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities.
    In such situations, Muslims do not integrate in to the community at large. The children attend Madrasses. They learn only the Koran.
    To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.

    Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

    Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population.
    But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers.
    Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.


    Food for Thought Bob?

    Unfortunately the appropriate analysis and unbiased and multinational, albeit not multicultural assessment of the global situation.
    You see the planetary society is indeed interwoven in local groups of whatever political, religious and cultural persuasions, but some cultures are more civilized and have evolved in their histories, whilst other cultures have remained timewarped and 'stuck' in rather primitive militaristic and relative to other cultures primitive, culturally and barbaric and truly RACIST fearful mentalities.
    Nabsers and associated wanna be 'truth disseminators' are not excluded from this unbiased and non-judgemental observations of their self-biased opinionated misinformed and self-righteous relativisms.


    Thank you for an excellent sharing of true 'alternative' information, not published in the mainstream media. The actual 'truth movement' and alternative media not brainwashed by the mainstream ignorance of truth-relative 'politically correct' and islam-ideological apologetic opinonated blabberings.


    Any religion, totalitarian and disguising its political agenda under the label of being a religion, which openly admits, that it is ok to lie and perceive anyone and anything in the name of furthering its own 'global agenda' in the name of Allah and its prophet Muhammad cannot be compared to any other religion or or philosophy which does not follow such an agenda.

    Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination!


    By Don Boys, Ph.D.
    Published Nov 17, 2004

    al-Taqiyya:
    deception; the islamic word for concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies.




    It is impossible to understand Islam and Muslims by listening to their protestations against terror and their proclamations of patriotism for America. Usually, it is wise and fair to give people the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to national safety and the future of America, we had better look twice, even thrice at Muslim patriotism. Why? Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception. Now some Muslims who do not follow the Koran are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

    Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.

    It seems our President and his advisors are clueless as to the desires, doctrines, and distinctives of Islam. While I feel a little audacious in giving advice to national leaders, it is necessary since no one else is doing it. Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.

    Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

    Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.



    Mohammed gave permission for a follower to lie in order to kill a Jewish poet who had offended Mohammed. I could provide many examples of permissible lying from the Koran and Hadith and will do so when my critics accuse me of hatred and bigotry because of this column. My motives are not important but the truth is. However, many unprincipled people do not consider truth important. It is political correctness that sits on the throne to be worshiped.

    Muslims may appear very sincere; in fact, they are sincere, when they lie for their own protection or in the cause of Islam. They have permission to lie. Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. However, a Muslim has no guilt since the Koran and Hadith permit his deception.

    Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable.

    They will lie to make Islam more attractive to potential converts as they speak of “no compulsion in religion” while all of them know that verse was abrogated by later verses. They will quote verses that speak of tolerance and kindness knowing that those verses were written when Mohammed was desirous of “tolerance and kindness,” but when he climbed into the catbird seat, everything changed and he became a terrorist.

    Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

    Unlike Christians who are saved once for all by the grace of God through faith in Christ’s propitiatory death, no Muslim knows for sure if his works are good enough for Heaven. The only Muslim who knows for sure that his eternal destiny is secure and he will drop into a delightful garden filled with 72 virgins on soft green cushions is the one who dies while “taking out” unbelievers in Islam.



    Most Muslims will not have the “opportunity” to become a martyr in this war between Islam and the rest of the world and make no mistake every true Muslim must be involved in making America (or the nation where he lives) a Muslim nation. Since Muslims are limited in their ability to die for the cause, they can help the cause by supporting terrorists with money, succor, and cover. Sure, they are aiding terror against the U.S. but since they believe they are doing Allah’s will, then any deception is acceptable.

    How should this affect America’s war on terror? Officials must look closely at every Muslim chaplain in the military and in our prisons; also look at those involved in the CIA, FBI, and other sensitive areas; look at all Arabic translators, military or civilian; look at all Muslim employees at the Pentagon, White House, atomic power plants, and in Congress; look at all civilian Muslim pilots; look at Muslim clerics in all U.S. mosques. In other words, get serious about this war before our cities are rubble.

    Our President must stop playing the game of “Let’s Stop the Terrorists” and get serious by going to the heart of the matter. This war on terror is a religious matter and could become a Hundred Years’ War. To resurrect an old slogan: You can trust the Muslims to be Muslims. They are lying their way to world domination!




    Watch al-Taqiyya in action as it pours from the lips of Altaf Ali, Executive Director of C.A.I.R. in Florida as he gives sidewalk interviews next to a demonstration against C.A.I.R. sponsored Islamic Propaganda on appearing in ads placed on county buses.




    Another good example of al Taqiyya (al Taqiya)
    A Muslim woman deceived a Christian school by not wearing a Burqa to the job interview, but showed up to work wearing one.


    http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-...ts-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml



    "The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, misogyny, sexual repression, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and represses criticism.

    This is what makes the Quran's verses of violence so dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command. While Muslim terrorists take them as literally as anything else in their holy book, and understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, moderates offer little to contradict them - outside of personal opinion. Indeed, what do they have? Speaking of peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret their religion in this way.

    Although scholars like Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force", many other Muslims are either unaware or willfully ignorant of the Quran's near absence of verses that preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of Islam comes from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for believers to think that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to be superior in every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to find that this is contradicted by the Quran and the bloody history of Islam's genesis.


    Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their daughter or lose respect." (source). In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders of civilians, women and children explicitly in the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.

    For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.

    There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done in the name of Islam."

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html
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    Re: FRANCE NOW

    Post  bobhardee on Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:59 am

    11/24/2015
    What we have here in America is truly a precious and holy thing. We are in a place in which a different form of Democracy has taken hold. We have been blessed. Our freedom is based on our belief that Church and State are held separate and the belief that you can worship your God of choice. The question that we are now beginning to examine is can we stand firm on that "Right" if there is a religion that advocates a complete paradigm change advocating violence, political takeover, extremely limiting women's rights, and exclusion to any and all who are not converts.

    I do not know the answer to that question. My fear is it is one that we (of the free world) will be dealing with that belief system for years to come.

    We (the USA) are not without our faults. Our mistakes. Our problems. We have and still have many things that need to be addressed. However, to ignore a philosophy that is raging a war with the world is not a good idea. We must begin to have a dialog that includes how we are going to define the right of Church and State and worship of a God.

    I am reminded of a story of the woman who found a snake that had been hurt and took the snake into her home and nursed it back to health. She and the snake got along fine at first but one day the snake bit her. When she asked the snake why he did that, his response was that "I am a snake and it is what I do."

    In the past when we have had "hate" groups to push their agenda, our government and support groups has used what ever means necessary to break up and interfere with these organizations. They have helped subdue them. They have not stopped them for that are still among us today and every so often raise their head and are ready to strike just like the snake in the above paragraph.

    My father said that the only people who ever joined the KKK were the rejects of the rejects. From what I could tell, he was right. If my father were alive, I believe he would say that what the world is dealing with now is similar but different that anything that has confronted us before. The road ahead is difficult. This morning Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet. What lies ahead in the coming holidays are yet to be seen but this country is on alert much like many others.

    All of this is due to a belief system that advocates hatred of anyone different, who doesn't toe the line or conform to a way of life that is way different than mine.

    Just some thoughts that I felt the need to share.
    Bob H.

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    Post  burgundia on Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:36 am

    bobhardee wrote:11/24/2015
    What we have here in America is truly a precious and holy thing. We are in a place in which a different form of Democracy has taken hold.  We have been blessed. Our freedom is based on our belief that Church and State are held separate and the belief that you can worship your God of choice. The question that we are now beginning to examine is can we stand firm on that "Right" if there is a religion that advocates a complete paradigm change advocating violence, political takeover, extremely limiting women's rights, and exclusion to any and all who are not converts.

    I do not know the answer to that question.  My fear is it is one that we (of the free world) will be dealing with that belief system for years to come.

    We (the USA) are not without our faults.  Our mistakes. Our problems. We have and still have many things that need to be addressed. However, to ignore a philosophy that is raging a war with the world is not a good idea. We must begin to have a dialog that includes how we are going to define the right of Church and State and worship of a God.

    I am reminded of a story of the woman who found a snake that had been hurt and took the snake into her home and nursed it back to health.  She and the snake got along fine at first but one day the snake bit her. When she asked the snake why he did that, his response was that "I am a snake and it is what I do."  

    In the past when we have had "hate" groups to push their agenda, our government and support groups has used what ever means necessary to break up and interfere with these organizations.  They have helped subdue them. They have not stopped them for that are still among us today and every so often raise their head and are ready to strike just like the snake in the above paragraph.

    My father said that the only people who ever joined the KKK were the rejects of the rejects.  From what I could tell, he was right. If my father were alive, I believe he would say that what the world is dealing with now is similar but different that anything that has confronted us before. The road ahead is difficult.  This morning Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet.  What lies ahead in the coming holidays are yet to be seen but this country is on alert much like many others.

    All of this is due to a belief system that advocates hatred of anyone different, who doesn't toe the line or conform to a way of life that is way different than mine.

    Just some thoughts that I felt the need to share.
    Bob H.


    Do you really believe in what you wrote here? I don't.
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    Post  bobhardee on Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:17 pm

    I am not a very good writer. For some writing comes natural. Not so much for me.
    Do I believe in what I wrote?
    Yes. I had edited out a question in the first paragraph and should have changed the second paragraph which answered the question but other than that change, I have no issue what I have posted. Is it politically correct? Absolutely not. Is it biased? Yes. I don't like it when there is a religious doctrine that advocates violence and now there are a significant number of people who are trying to follow their faith by killing civilians.....at random.

    Back in the late 60's and early 70's when US troops would provide medical aid to children in Nam and the VC would find out about it, they would come in and kill the kids. Sometimes they would even go so far as to hang them from poles outside the village. It was not what made headlines. War is not something that I advocate for. It is where man's hidden evil side surfaces.

    I had a hard enough time going to war because my country asked me to do so. I cannot begin to fathom the idea that a "religion" in this day and time would suggest war. I sure wouldn't go to that church. But there are a lot of folks who do.....and in countries where this religion has become a significant part of the population, trouble has started. Now why is that Burgundia?

    In France our allies are not fighting another nation. They are not fighting a political system. They are fighting the right wing of a religion. Our government does everything it can to deny that we are in a religious war.
    How crazy is that?

    Somehow, when we put our political correctness aside, we will address the question of Church and State if the church in question advocates violence, should it be allowed the same protection offered to others.
    Bob H.
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    Post  Pris on Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:38 pm

    bobhardee wrote:11/24/2015
    What we have here in America is truly a precious and holy thing. We are in a place in which a different form of Democracy has taken hold.  We have been blessed. Our freedom is based on our belief that Church and State are held separate and the belief that you can worship your God of choice. The question that we are now beginning to examine is can we stand firm on that "Right" if there is a religion that advocates a complete paradigm change advocating violence, political takeover, extremely limiting women's rights, and exclusion to any and all who are not converts.

    I do not know the answer to that question.  My fear is it is one that we (of the free world) will be dealing with that belief system for years to come.

    We (the USA) are not without our faults.  Our mistakes. Our problems. We have and still have many things that need to be addressed. However, to ignore a philosophy that is raging a war with the world is not a good idea. We must begin to have a dialog that includes how we are going to define the right of Church and State and worship of a God.

    I am reminded of a story of the woman who found a snake that had been hurt and took the snake into her home and nursed it back to health.  She and the snake got along fine at first but one day the snake bit her. When she asked the snake why he did that, his response was that "I am a snake and it is what I do."  

    In the past when we have had "hate" groups to push their agenda, our government and support groups has used what ever means necessary to break up and interfere with these organizations.  They have helped subdue them. They have not stopped them for that are still among us today and every so often raise their head and are ready to strike just like the snake in the above paragraph.

    My father said that the only people who ever joined the KKK were the rejects of the rejects.  From what I could tell, he was right. If my father were alive, I believe he would say that what the world is dealing with now is similar but different that anything that has confronted us before. The road ahead is difficult.  This morning Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet.  What lies ahead in the coming holidays are yet to be seen but this country is on alert much like many others.

    All of this is due to a belief system that advocates hatred of anyone different, who doesn't toe the line or conform to a way of life that is way different than mine.

    Just some thoughts that I felt the need to share.
    Bob H.


    There is nothing 'truly precious' and 'holy' about America.  Even if democracy was a good thing -- which it isn't -- America has no democracy, period.  It's governed by corporatocracy and plutocracy.  You've been 'blessed' alright, and the blood continues to be shed on the altar of the world.

    Freedom has absolutely nothing to do with 'Church and State'.  Replace 'freedom' with 'slavery'.  Worship whatever you want, but I do not worship any god.  Now, that is choice.  All religions are a form of slavery.  All governments are a form of slavery.  They are two faces of the same coin and the controllers know it.  Their function is to keep you in chains.

    There is no such thing as a 'free world'.  Look around at your cage bars.  You've given all your power away.

    This is about love -- to wake people up to their own, personal power -- physically and spiritually.  Stand under no one.  You have forgotten how precious you are.
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    Post  shiloh on Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:05 am

    bobhardee wrote:11/24/2015
    What we have here in America is truly a precious and holy thing. We are in a place in which a different form of Democracy has taken hold.  We have been blessed. Our freedom is based on our belief that Church and State are held separate and the belief that you can worship your God of choice. The question that we are now beginning to examine is can we stand firm on that "Right" if there is a religion that advocates a complete paradigm change advocating violence, political takeover, extremely limiting women's rights, and exclusion to any and all who are not converts.

    I do not know the answer to that question.  My fear is it is one that we (of the free world) will be dealing with that belief system for years to come.

    We (the USA) are not without our faults.  Our mistakes. Our problems. We have and still have many things that need to be addressed. However, to ignore a philosophy that is raging a war with the world is not a good idea. We must begin to have a dialog that includes how we are going to define the right of Church and State and worship of a God.

    I am reminded of a story of the woman who found a snake that had been hurt and took the snake into her home and nursed it back to health.  She and the snake got along fine at first but one day the snake bit her. When she asked the snake why he did that, his response was that "I am a snake and it is what I do."  

    In the past when we have had "hate" groups to push their agenda, our government and support groups has used what ever means necessary to break up and interfere with these organizations.  They have helped subdue them. They have not stopped them for that are still among us today and every so often raise their head and are ready to strike just like the snake in the above paragraph.

    My father said that the only people who ever joined the KKK were the rejects of the rejects.  From what I could tell, he was right. If my father were alive, I believe he would say that what the world is dealing with now is similar but different that anything that has confronted us before. The road ahead is difficult.  This morning Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet.  What lies ahead in the coming holidays are yet to be seen but this country is on alert much like many others.

    All of this is due to a belief system that advocates hatred of anyone different, who doesn't toe the line or conform to a way of life that is way different than mine.

    Just some thoughts that I felt the need to share.
    Bob H.



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    Post  burgundia on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:01 am

    Pris wrote:
    bobhardee wrote:11/24/2015
    What we have here in America is truly a precious and holy thing. We are in a place in which a different form of Democracy has taken hold.  We have been blessed. Our freedom is based on our belief that Church and State are held separate and the belief that you can worship your God of choice. The question that we are now beginning to examine is can we stand firm on that "Right" if there is a religion that advocates a complete paradigm change advocating violence, political takeover, extremely limiting women's rights, and exclusion to any and all who are not converts.

    I do not know the answer to that question.  My fear is it is one that we (of the free world) will be dealing with that belief system for years to come.

    We (the USA) are not without our faults.  Our mistakes. Our problems. We have and still have many things that need to be addressed. However, to ignore a philosophy that is raging a war with the world is not a good idea. We must begin to have a dialog that includes how we are going to define the right of Church and State and worship of a God.

    I am reminded of a story of the woman who found a snake that had been hurt and took the snake into her home and nursed it back to health.  She and the snake got along fine at first but one day the snake bit her. When she asked the snake why he did that, his response was that "I am a snake and it is what I do."  

    In the past when we have had "hate" groups to push their agenda, our government and support groups has used what ever means necessary to break up and interfere with these organizations.  They have helped subdue them. They have not stopped them for that are still among us today and every so often raise their head and are ready to strike just like the snake in the above paragraph.

    My father said that the only people who ever joined the KKK were the rejects of the rejects.  From what I could tell, he was right. If my father were alive, I believe he would say that what the world is dealing with now is similar but different that anything that has confronted us before. The road ahead is difficult.  This morning Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet.  What lies ahead in the coming holidays are yet to be seen but this country is on alert much like many others.

    All of this is due to a belief system that advocates hatred of anyone different, who doesn't toe the line or conform to a way of life that is way different than mine.

    Just some thoughts that I felt the need to share.
    Bob H.


    There is nothing 'truly precious' and 'holy' about America.  Even if democracy was a good thing -- which it isn't -- America has no democracy, period.  It's governed by corporatocracy and plutocracy.  You've been 'blessed' alright, and the blood continues to be shed on the altar of the world.

    Freedom has absolutely nothing to do with 'Church and State'.  Replace 'freedom' with 'slavery'.  Worship whatever you want, but I do not worship any god.  Now, that is choice.  All religions are a form of slavery.  All governments are a form of slavery.  They are two faces of the same coin and the controllers know it.  Their function is to keep you in chains.

    There is no such thing as a 'free world'.  Look around at your cage bars.  You've given all your power away.

    This is about love -- to wake people up to their own, personal power -- physically and spiritually.  Stand under no one.  You have forgotten how precious you are.

    Now, I can agree with that.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:56 pm

    Perhaps We Need a Real Good God to Make Things Real Good.
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    Post  Pris on Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:15 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Perhaps We Need a Real Good God to Make Things Real Good.

    There's no such thing as a 'good god'.  You're joking, right?  Either that or you are missing the whole point.

    If you mean looking around at the f***** up world and saying, "What the f*** have we done?", that might be a good start.

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    Post  shiloh on Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:05 pm

    Pris wrote:


    orthodoxymoron wrote:


    Perhaps We Need a Real Good God to Make Things Real Good.

    There's no such thing as a 'good god'.  You're joking, right?  Either that or you are missing the whole point.

    If you mean looking around at the f***** up world and saying, "What the f*** have we done?", that might be a good start.







    November 25, 2015
    The Strange Case of the Secular Progressive-Islamist Alliance

    By Marvin Folkertsma

    One of the frequently cited quips in the halls of Congress is that politics makes for strange bedfellows, meaning that some alliances between Democrats and Republicans, especially given today's toxic environment in Washington, are hard to fathom. However, perhaps even more difficult to understand is the strange affinity that has developed over the past two decades between Islamists – radical Muslims – and the American progressive movement, or what Michael Walsh has termed the "unholy left."


     At first glance, the two entities seem utterly different – one proceeding from the darker recesses of Islamic culture, and the other a seemingly quintessential product of American idealism. In fact, however, what we find between the two political movements is a confluence of interests and perspectives on a variety of matters. Indeed, often the affinity of these two outlooks is frightening.
    For instance, both share an animus bordering on hatred for Christianity and Judaism, with the secular progressives trying to expunge Christians from public life, while Islamists yearn to annihilate Jews. Certainly, academic progressives do nothing to discourage the anti-Semitic hatred of Muslims from being expressed on American campuses, as David Horowitz recently pointed out. Why, he wonders, do prominent American universities, such as Brandeis and UCLA, permit offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood to have free rein on their campuses? "Any other group that preached hatred of ethnic groups or supported barbaric terrorists who slaughter men, women and children as part of a demented mission to cleanse the earth of infidels would face campus sanctions, disciplinary action, and be charged with conduct code violations."



    But apparently this doesn't bother secular progressives, who dominate American higher education. Quite the contrary: progressives luxuriate in moralistic narcissism whenever presented with the opportunity to condemn "primitive thinkers" for "Islamophobia," sometimes even after radical Muslims have perpetrated some horrific attack, as in the Fort Hood massacre. And other times, it just takes a youngster falsely accused of bringing a bomb to school, which turned out to be a homemade clock, to trigger progressive sensibilities: "Finally," crowed The Daily Beast, "the Muslim hero America has been waiting for." In fact, Ahmed Mohamed's little exercise earned him a visit to the White House and a note of encouragement from Hillary Clinton. He later departed with his family for the apparently more agreeable clime of Qatar, a Muslim country. Perhaps officials are more tolerant there.

     They're not, of course, nor are secular progressives in America or radical Islamists everywhere. Neither believes in free speech, as progressives put clamps on expression wherever they can, especially in higher education, by forbidding outside speakers to lecture and by doubling down on trigger warnings, microaggressions, miniscule free speech zones, and "safe places" for suffering souls overcome with a case of the vapors after being exposed to a dissident thought. Meanwhile, Islamist punishments for blasphemy are unforgiving, brutal, and nefarious.


     Further, secular progressives and radical Islamists hold America in contempt, and they favor rule by an unaccountable elite – an administrative-bureaucratic class of experts, in the progressive case, a vision that has lurked in the progressive imagination since Teddy Roosevelt's days, while Muslims insist on obeisance to sharia enforced by religious overseers. Both aspire to totalitarian rule under dictatorships of those who are self-selected by political or religious criteria. These presiding masters are radically anti-modern and yearn to establish or recreate primeval societies based on apocalyptic rants of environmental cultists on the one hand and atavistic seventh-century radicals on the other. Both movements lie habitually, with the assurance that deception is justified by the needs of their religious-political movements, and with the assurance of never having to face the consequences of their words and actions. Finally, both are supported by very large segments of their societies.


    Of course, there are differences as well, several of which are important. For instance, radical Islamists view Western libertinism with abhorrence, do not tolerate homosexuality or feminism, and worship a higher being – all of which are anathema to secular progressive ideology. Indeed, in the long run, progressives could no more live under sharia than Islamists could celebrate the gay lifestyle. But this matters little in the short run, during which each side finds the other useful for combating a common foe – a constitutional democracy with Judeo-Christian roots. This means that secular progressives and Islamists will continue to work in concert, indefinitely, for all the reasons cited above. And in spite of isolated setbacks, they are winning.
    Perhaps not such a strange alliance, after all.


    Dr. Marvin Folkertsma is a retired professor of political science and fellow for American studies with The Center for Vision & Values at Grove City College. The author of several books, his latest release is a high-energy novel titled The Thirteenth Commandment.


    November 25, 2015

    Paris, ISIS, and the Externalization of Evil

    By Alex Alexiev

    Only a few days have passed since the terrorist bloodbath in Paris, but it is already clear that the conclusions France and the West have drawn from the carnage are not only wrong, but likely to guarantee more of the same. In short, they seem to believe that the terrorist acts of Nov. 13 were organized and carried out by ISIS and, therefore, destroying ISIS will prevent future terror and should become the priority. This is a dangerous delusion even if ISIS is proven to have been instrumental in the organization of the attacks, which is not the case to date. Destroying ISIS, as desirable as that is by itself, will do nothing to reverse the frightening radicalization that has taken place in the burgeoning Muslim communities in Western Europe and increasingly in the United States. A radicalization that promises more mayhem for years to come, yet one that Western authorities refuse to fess up to let alone take decisive measures against.

    That blaming ISIS is a classical case of the ‘externalization of evil’ psychological syndrome is not difficult to prove. Less than a year before the Paris events, in the Charlie Hebdo massacre, experts and pundits alike pointed to Al Qaeda and no one mentioned ISIS. Indeed, the audio claiming ISIS involvement was made by the French Islamist, Fabien Clain, who was sentenced to five years in jail in 2009 for recruiting jihadists for the Middle East at a time when nobody had heard of ISIS. It is a fact that virtually all of the conspirators identified so far, as well as the thousands who flocked to jihad in Syria and Iraq, were born, raised and radicalized in Europe before ISIS existed. This is the disturbing reality that Western leaders refuse to admit that will continue to exist regardless of whether ISIS does or does not.

    And a very troubling reality it is. There are currently 751 Muslim ghettoes in France officially if euphemistically designated as “sensitive urban zones” (ZUS) and another 1400 called “priority neighborhoods” (cartiers prioritaire). What they all have in common is high levels of criminality and dependence on welfare and, most importantly, the fact that they increasingly resemble parallel Muslim societies outside the writ of French law, or as many French call them “territories lost to the Republic.” Such enclaves now exist throughout Western Europe and are similarly radicalized. Three of the Paris murderers, for instance, lived in Molenbeek, the huge Brussels Muslim ghetto that, according to the public admission of Belgian minister of the interior, Jan Jambon, is no longer under the control of the government.

    How did it come to that and exactly how bad is it?

    To start with the latter, a 2004 study by the French ministry of education conducted in public schools near the Muslim ghettoes and known as the ‘Rapport Obin,’ painted the following picture: Muslim enforcers, known in the schools as “big brothers,” impose conformity with Islamist norms by physical violence and intimidation. Muslim girls must follow a strict dress code which prohibits makeup, skirts and dresses, and any co-educational activities, along with going to the gym, the swimming pool, or the theater. Students are further enjoined from studying Voltaire or reading Madam Bovary or taking geometry because they may accidentally draw the sign of the cross. English is to be avoided as the language of imperialism. Jewish students, the report admits, can no longer be guaranteed a proper education in these schools, because of rampant anti-Semitism. These practices, concluded the study, were transforming the schools into religious counter-societies with “norms on a collision course with those of modern, democratic society.”
    And the results of this collision course are not difficult to see today. Shortly after the Charlie Hebdo massacre last January, the French government deployed 7000 military to guard Jewish institutions and businesses from Islamist thugs, thereby admitting that the police in a major Western country are no longer capable of guaranteeing law and order.

    The answer to the question of how the Muslim diaspora communities in the West were radicalized is fairly straight forward. Beginning with the oil embargo in 1973, Saudi Arabia began receiving windfall profits from the skyrocketing prices of oil. By 1980, its oil income had grown nearly hundredfold compared to 1970. Flush with money, it started exporting its radical Wahhabi creed with the help of the Muslim Brotherhood and numerous Saudi-controlled Islamist organizations like the Muslim World League (MWL), the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), the Al Haramain Foundation and the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO). By its own admission, Riyadh had spent the colossal sum of $80 billion in promoting Wahhabism, and, as it turned out later, terrorism in the West by the year 2002. What this largesse accomplished was truly impressive. According to official Saudi sources, it had established 210 Islamic centers, 1500 mosques, 202 colleges, and 2000 Islamic schools, all dedicated to spreading the poisonous Wahhabi creed in the West.

    France was an early focus of the Saudis. As early as 1981, Riyadh provided money for the construction of 19 French mosques, according to the Muslim World League Journal of August 1981, followed by financing for “maintenance and renovation” of 300 mosques in March of 1982. By 1983, the Saudi/Muslim Brotherhood alliance had founded the Union of Islamic Organizations in France (UIOF), a radical Islamist organization comprising 200 Muslim associations, which continues to dominate French Islam to this day. Domestically, UIOF works closely with the Hamas financier, Palestinian Charitable and Relief Committee (CBSP) and the imam-training European Institute of Human Sciences (EIHS), while internationally it follows the writ of the radical European Council for Fatwa and Research (ECFR) led by the suicide-bombing endorsing Sheikh Yusuf al- Qaradawi.
    Given this legacy, it is hardly surprising that a 2014 opinion survey sponsored by Newsweek found that 16% of French Muslims approve of ISIS, a percentage that jumps to 27% in the age group 18 to 24years.

    Yet another complicating factor in the efforts of the French and other European authorities in confronting the radicals is the reality that Muslims in several Western European countries have reached critical electoral mass and can no longer be disregarded politically. This is especially the case with the European Left, which is the traditional beneficiary of the Muslim vote. In France, for instance, François Hollande won the presidential election by 1.2 million votes, but only because the roughly 2 million Muslim voters chose him over Sarakozy by a 93% margin. Undoubtedly aware of that, Hollande curried favor with the Muslims by promising them to change the constitution to allow non-citizens to vote in municipal elections.

    So what is to be done? The first thing to do is for the West to get rid of its wishful thinking that its systemic problem with radical Islam could somehow be solved with a deus-ex-machina like defeat of ISIS. Then we need to take a long, hard look at the sources of radicalization of Muslim communities in the West, both ideological and financial. At the very least, statutes must  be introduced that prohibit foreign financing of Western Muslims, as Austria recently did. Prohibiting jihadist propaganda, as Germany did last year, should similarly be a matter of course. Though helpful, none of these measures are likely to help much, however, as long as we refuse to confront the ideology of Islamism head on, instead of appeasing it with facile mantras about Islam being a religion of peace. It is a hard fact that radical Islam as preached and practiced in Muslim communities worldwide today is a religion of murder and mayhem that cannot and should not be tolerated. At the bottom of this and a common denominator for all Islamists is sharia. Far from being God’s sacred law, as Islamists would have us believe, sharia is a post-Quranic, man-made doctrine designed to justify Arab imperialism a century and a half after Muhammad. It preaches violence, hate and discrimination against non-Muslims and women. It is not about religion but about sedition and, as such, has no place in civilized society.

    Alex Alexiev is a senior fellow in the International Assessment and Strategy Center (IASC) in Wash. D.C. He twits on national security at twitter.com/alexieff and could be reached at alexievalex2@gmail.com.


    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/11/paris_isis_and_the_externalization_of_evil.html#ixzz3sZIBIft5

    March 9, 2015
    ISIS is the Syndrome, Sharia the Real Malignancy

    By Alex Alexiev

    As the US-led kinetic war against ISIS continues with indifferent success and less than certain prospects to date, answering the obvious question of what motivates that murderous organization becomes more pressing by the day. Remarkably, there have been no visible efforts in that direction by either the White House or the Defense Department. Indeed, the much touted Obama Administration-sponsored conference on 'countering violent extremism' further obfuscated the issue by its oxymoronic definition of terrorism as 'acts of violence' committed 'against people of different faiths, by people of different faiths.' Neither did the 'Team America' high-level Pentagon-sponsored recent meeting in Kuwait help much with its lapidary conclusion that the US strategy against ISIS is correct.

    Against that meager analytical background, a much discussed and praised effort to decipher ISIS ideology by journalist Graeme Wood in the March issue of the Atlantic Magazine deserves close scrutiny, because it is a good example of just how muddled and unrealistic our understanding of radical Islam with respect to ISIS has become.

    Titled 'What Does ISIS Really Want,' the article's main contribution is its common sense proposition that ISIS is Islamic, indeed, 'very Islamic.' Unfortunately, the rest of it is a largely failed effort to explain what drives ISIS to do what it does with a confused exegesis of its Islamic beliefs and interviews with several sympathizers. Key emphasis is given to its ostensible eschatological predilections as a 'key agent of the coming apocalypse' and a 'headline player in the imminent end of the world' when the messiah Mahdi will show up on Judgment Day. Mr. Wood also makes much of ISIS's reported faithfulness to something called the 'prophetic methodology of the caliphate' and implies strongly that what they practice is a 'distinctive variety' and a 'coherent and even learned interpretation of Islam,' which aims 'returning civilization to a seventh century legal environment.'
    
    Much of this makes little sense to anybody who's familiar with the foundational texts of Islam. It is true that the Quran does deal with Judgment Day in Sura 75 (Yawm al-Qiyamah), but much of what it says appears to be borrowed from the Bible and Mahdi, an essentially Shia concept, is not mentioned at all. 'Prophetic methodology' is a propaganda term used by ISIS and means nothing, especially in connection with the caliphate, which is not mentioned in either the Quran or the traditions (Sunna) of Muhammad. As far as the 'seventh century legal environment' is concerned, it's worth noting that during Muhammad's life time and that of his immediate successors, there was no Islamic corpus juris in existence and to the extent that a legal system existed at all, it was mostly the old Arab customary law (urf) and arbitration that were practiced. In fact, the codification of sharia as Islamic law did not begin until the middle of the 8th century and was not completed until the end of the 9th century, or 2nd and 3rd century of Islam.

    If ISIS ideology thus has little to do with 'prophetic methodology' and eschatological propaganda, it has everything to do with sharia. And the reason for that is very simple, for sharia is the most radical possible interpretation of Islam and a real source of legitimacy for those practicing it among the millions of Islamist sympathizers.

    So what exactly is sharia? To radical Islamists, salafis and jihadists of all kinds, sharia is 'God's sacred law' to be obeyed to the letter if a Muslim were to end up in heaven. More than that, it is also the constitution of the Islamic state and the guarantee of the perfect synergy between religion and the state (din wa dawla). To reform-minded Muslims and most non-Muslims it is nothing of the kind. Rather it is a post-Quranic, man-made doctrine designed to legitimate the imperialist policies of the hereditary Muslim empires that followed Muhammad and his successors and the open discrimination against non-Muslims and women widely practiced by them. Moreover, sharia was based for the most part not on the Quran, but on secondary and often unreliable sources such as the hadith (Muhammad's sayings).

    To the extent that sharia is based on the Quran, the cornerstone of its interpretation is the doctrine of abrogation (naskh), which invalidates most of the peaceful and tolerant verses of the earlier Meccan period and replaces them with the later violence-preaching Medinese verses. As a result, sharia is not only radical and intolerant, but is also in direct conflict with many Quranic injunctions. Thus, the punishment for apostasy is death in sharia, but 100 lashes in the Quran. The former makes the establishment of the caliphate and sharia a religious obligation for Muslims, while the latter does not mention either one of them at all. In the Quran, Muslims are enjoined to fight in self-defense, sharia makes offensive jihad for the spread of Islam mandatory among many other examples. If one were to characterize sharia today, which Muslims have been obligated to follow blindly (taqlid) since the 10th century, what comes readily to mind is the Catholic faith at the time of the inquisition.

    The discriminatory and violent nature of sharia's injunctions made it impractical as a law early on in Muslim states that were multi-national and multi-confessional, as most of them were, and though it was regularly paid lip service to, it was seldom practiced, except occasionally as family law. In the early Muslim empires, for instance, justice was administered mostly by courts of grievance (mazalim), police courts (shurta) or market judges (sahib al souk), rather than sharia, while in the historically greatest Muslim state of all, the Ottoman empire, the law of the land was kanun osmanly, an essentially secular law.
    In fact, sharia's political fortunes did not change for the better until the patron saints of contemporary radical Islam, Abul ala Mawdudi and Sayyid Qutb, elevated the imposition of sharia as the sole criterion of whether or not a state is Muslim or apostate in middle of the 20th century. Since then, with the help of huge amounts of Saudi money and the spread of Muslim Brotherhood networks, sharia has become the sine qua non of the radical Islamist idiom that currently dominates the Muslim establishment worldwide. It is simply a fact that from the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) on down to countless mosques, Islamic centers and Muslim organizations, no rule, regulation or bylaw is viewed as legitimate if it contradicts sharia.

    What the widespread support for sharia among Muslims means is that President Obama's repeatedly expressed belief that there is no radical Islam, but just individual terrorists, is widely off the mark. In just a couple of examples relevant to ISIS, a recent open letter signed by 126 prominent Muslims from around the world, including many US Islamists, denouncing ISIS' tactics, nonetheless endorses sharia. In another example, a radical Wahhabi preacher and passionate sharia supporter named Mohamed al-Arefe, approved of raping kidnapped Yazidi women in a tweet to his 10 million followers, while the prominent Islamist and member of the influential 'senior council of clerics' in Saudi Arabia, Saleh al-Fawzan, issued a fatwa arguing that whoever denies the legitimacy of slavery in sharia becomes an infidel.
    For jihadist organizations like ISIS, being sharia-compliant in a self-proclaimed caliphate bestows them huge legitimacy in the eyes of the devout. What we view as barbaric practices, including raping and enslaving 'infidel' women, crucifixions, killing homosexuals and Muslim apostates, are fully justified in sharia. Undoubtedly, the ISIS cutthroats believe that some of their more recent gruesome innovations, such as chopping off women's hands for using cell phones or beheading smokers, are also legitimate under sharia.

    Muslims are also obligated by sharia to emigrate to the caliphate, which helps explain the huge number of volunteer jihadists who continue to flock to ISIS. The ISIS' self-anointed 'Caliph Ibrahim' enjoys yet another political benefit under sharia, which orders Muslims to obey him even if he is 'unjust,' because 'a rebellion against a caliph is one of the greatest enormities.'
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    What is beyond doubt is sharia's absolute incompatibility with basic human rights, democratic norms and the law of nations and its highly seditious nature in calling for violence against non-Muslims and non-conforming Muslims both. Until the community of nations and the Muslims themselves come to terms with this malignant doctrine and act to delegitimize it, its poisonous offshoots like ISIS will continue to thrive.

    Alex Alexiev is a senior fellow with the International Assessment and Strategy Center (IASC) in Wash. D.C. and chairman of the Center for Balkan and Black Sea Studies (cbbss.org) in Sofia, Bulgaria. His latest book on Islamism "The Wages of Extremism: Radical Islam's Threat to the West and the Muslim World," is available as a pdf file from the Hudson Institute.



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    Post  Pris on Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:49 am

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    The bull s*** is being heavily smeared on the wall, plain to see.  Here in The Mists, you get to witness the tactic used to disrupt and denigrate anyone with an ounce of clear thinking.  Enjoy your front row seats.
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:52 am

    Pris wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Perhaps We Need a Real Good God to Make Things Real Good.

    There's no such thing as a 'good god'.  You're joking, right?  Either that or you are missing the whole point.

    If you mean looking around at the f***** up world and saying, "What the f*** have we done?", that might be a good start.

    I've been thinking in terms of a Solar System CEO as being a Sun God or a Star Lord in a Science-Fictional Context -- just to stimulate my brain to engage in irreverent-speculation. If this solar system was overthrown in antiquity -- the Original-Creator (or genetic and social engineer) might've gotten crucified or executed as the "Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World" -- with a Bad@$$ Solar System CEO replacing them -- and exploiting and/or punishing Humanity (which might make the human-race look worse than it really would otherwise be). But this thing might be so entrenched -- that the miraculous reappearance of the Original CEO might further screw things up. I've been told by an Individual of Interest that "We Need to Start Over" -- but I'm leaning toward "Evolutionary-Change" rather than "Revolutionary-Change". They have repeatedly mentioned "Lucifer" and "Fallen Human-Nature". I honestly think we're on the "Brink of Extinction" (by ET and/or US -- not to mention Almighty-God). I've spent nearly eight-years going round and round and round with this stuff -- with no positive-outcome whatsoever -- and I'm honestly not going to talk about it for awhile -- and perhaps for a very-long while (if ever).




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    Post  Pris on Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:11 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Pris wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:
    Perhaps We Need a Real Good God to Make Things Real Good.

    There's no such thing as a 'good god'.  You're joking, right?  Either that or you are missing the whole point.

    If you mean looking around at the f***** up world and saying, "What the f*** have we done?", that might be a good start.

    I've been thinking in terms of a Solar System CEO as being a Sun God or a Star Lord in a Science-Fictional Context -- just to stimulate my brain to engage in irreverent-speculation. If this solar system was overthrown in antiquity -- the Original-Creator (or genetic and social engineer) might've gotten crucified or executed as the "Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World" -- with a Bad@$$ Solar System CEO replacing them -- and exploiting and/or punishing Humanity (which might make the human-race look worse than it really would otherwise be). But this thing might be so entrenched -- that the miraculous reappearance of the Original CEO might further screw things up. I've been told by an Individual of Interest that "We Need to Start Over" -- but I'm leaning toward "Evolutionary-Change" rather than "Revolutionary-Change". I honestly think we're on the "Brink of Extinction" (by ET and/or US -- not to mention Almighty-God). I've spent nearly eight-years going round and round and round with this stuff -- with no positive-outcome whatsoever -- and I'm honestly not going to talk about it for awhile -- and perhaps for a very-long while (if ever).

    Ah, 'science-fictional context'.  That's better (heavy on the 'fictional').  I think it's highly likely we were 'tampered' with on purpose to forget who and what we are.  So, consider that we ourselves as individuals -- as singularities, are each the original creators of our own DNA.  And, so we have evolved ourselves as free-thinking souls, gathering information/knowledge since the 'beginning'.  No one above you, no one below.  Stand in your own power.  Remember.  If you choose to give your power away (physical and spiritual) to someone or something, you will remain a slave.
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    Post  blue roller on Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:59 am

    Before France was corrupted partially by Christianity it had long evolved and still maintains a love for nature , Good food and the joy of living and loving .
    Its the cultural hub of Europe and a beautiful country.

    So I am deeply upset about the disgusting acts perpetrated by extremists in Paris .

    ALL religions practice intolerance and hate. All Religions harbor the conceit of being better than and empowered by a 'god' with a mandate to abuse power in the pursuit of its Mission.

    I have no prejudice at all when it comes to religions . Its all a huge crock .

    Female circumcision ( removal of the Clitoris, often with a razor blade) is disgusting but commonly practiced in the Muslim world. The demeaning and abuse of women is abhorrent to me . But the same abuses occur in every faith I have had dealings with. Pedophilia is rampant in the Judaeo/ christian faiths. Its off the charts.

    I am convinced the murder of innocent civilians was a false flag that plays in to the hands of the Zionist agenda . But the Zionist's play book is no longer working as well as it used to as resolve is stiffening against Israel's shocking and deplorable apartheid system.

    The shame game has long been a part Of Zionist covert control . Its an art practiced by all the worlds major religions though.

    Power hungry people prostitute anyone and everyone they can . Yet all those demi gods like mohamed ,Jesus, etc are painted up as righteous and above sin. Yeah right .

    Saint Paul was a notorious woman hater . The Vatican is a hub for every criminal Enterprise imaginable . Child sex/drug trafficking , illegal money laundering, you name it ,those bastards are in to it . Lecherous ,two faced sleaze bags .

    Loyalty and faith they call it. Moral cowardice would be a more accurate description.

    There is nothing more tiresome than a Christian judging a Muslim when both faiths have a common root. Fanaticism. Crabs fighting in a bucket and dragging each other down while God pours in the water and puts them all on a slow boil.



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    The fact that the majority of smokers do not develop lung cancer does not negate the fact that smoking is the main cause of lung cancer; likewise, the fact that the majority of Muslims do not develop terrorism does not negate the fact that Islamic ideology is the main cause of terrorism.
    Tawfik Hamid (aka Tarek Abdelhamid)
    Egyptian author and former member of the militant al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya.



    Europe will soon go under because of its former liberalism that has proved childish and suicidal. Europe has produced Hitler, and after Hitler the continent stands there with no arguments: the doors are wide open for Islam, they no longer dare talk about race and religion while Islam only knows the language of hatred against alien races and religions.
    I should say a few words about politics too … Then I would talk about how Muslims are flooding, occupying, in clear verbs, destroying Europe, and how Europe relates to this, the suicidal liberalism and the stupid democracy … It always ends the same way: civilization reaches a certain stage of maturation where it is not only able to defend itself, but where it is in a seemingly incomprehensible worship of their own enemy.
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    Quran… an accursed book…. So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world.
    William Ewart Gladstone
    Prime Minister of the United Kingdom four times between 1868 and 1894 (1809–1898).



    If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whomever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thorough silenced and concealed.
    Zakariya Razi (Rhazes)
    Persian chemist, philosopher and physician, 865 – 925AD.



    Asked whether suicide bombing can be justified as a measure to defend Islam, 26 percent of American Muslims age eighteen to twenty-nine said yes. That is one quarter of the adult American Muslims under the age of thirty, and no matter how you count the number of Muslims in America (estimates vary from 2 million to 8 million), that is a lot of people.
    Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    Somali-born American (formerly Dutch) activist, writer, and politician.



    During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any “social values” whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence. There are such “social values” today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do – that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.
    Theodore “Teddy” Roosevelt
    26th President of the United States



    The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.
    Will Durant
    American writer, historian, and philosopher (November 5, 1885 – November 7, 1981).



    To be blunt, their [Western] efforts to assist Muslims and other minorities are futile because, by postponing or at best prolonging the process of their transition to modernity — by creating the illusion that one can hold on to tribal norms and at the same time become a successful citizen — the proponents of multiculturalism lock subsequent generations born in the West into a no-man’s-land of moral values. What comes packaged in a compassionate language of acceptance is really a cruel form of racism. And it is all the more cruel because it is expressed in sugary words of virtue.
    Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    Somali-born American (formerly Dutch) activist, writer, and politician.



    These future United States presidents questioned the ambassador as to why his (Islamic) government was so hostile to the new American republic even though America had done nothing to provoke any such animosity. Ambassador Adja answered them, as they reported to the Continental Congress, ‘that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise’.
    Thomas Jefferson
    U.S. president addressing the Continental Congress about the brutal pirate attacks of the Muslim Ottoman Barbary (1801–1805 and 1815).



    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, lovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
    Sir Winston Churchill, 1899.
    British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom during the Second World War.



    There are many good men and women in the West who try to resettle refugees, scold their fellow citizens for not doing more, donate money to philanthropic organizations, and strive to eliminate discrimination. They lobby governments to exempt minorities from the standards of behavior of Western societies; they fight to help minorities preserve their cultures, and thy excuse their religion from critical scrutiny. These people mean well, I have no doubt. But I believe that their well-intentioned activism is now a part of the very problem they seek to solve.
    Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    Somali-born American activist, writer, and politician.


    Pakistan and Bangladesh are their fixed deposits. Those are Islamic states. No one else can lay claim on them. India is a joint account. Plunder it as much as you please.
    Shiv Prasad Roy
    Indian Bengali writer.



    This is a profession of faith of a Muslim: ‘I certify that there is no God other than Allah, of whom Mohammed is the only prophet’, which means in effect: After and before Mohammed, there is nobody else…’Thus the whole religion of Islam is based on negation: nobody but us, no other religion but ours’. And if you disagree, you shall die. This puts a serious limitation to tolerance and from this strong belief sprang all the horrors of the Muslim invasion of India.
    Francois Gautier
    French writer and journalist based in India.



    If Muslim people do not change their mind in spite of the changes of social conditions, and if we supplement Islamic courtesy and law without explaining and advertising real Islamic beliefs at the same time, then it is impossible to save the minds of the people.
    Ma Fuxiang
    Chinese military and political leader spanning the Qing Dynasty.



    The command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective… by fraud, or by force.
    John Quincy Adams
    American statesman who served as the sixth President of the United States from 1825 to 1829.



    Nor can the Plundering of Infidels be in that sacred Book [the Quran] forbidden, since it is well known from it, that God has given the World, and all that it contains, to his faithful Mussulmen, who are to enjoy it of Right as fast as they conquer it.
    Benjamin Franklin
    American revolutionary, diplomat, inventor and one of the Founding Fathers of the United States (January 17, 1706 – April 17, 1790).



    … The point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom.
    St. Thomas Aquinas (Contra Gentiles, Book One, Chapter 6, Paragraph 4)
    Italian Dominican friar and Catholic priest and an immensely influential philosopher and theologian in the tradition of scholasticism (1225 – 7 March 1274).



    Over a billion people believe in Allah without truly knowing what Allah supposedly stands for or what he really demands of them. And the minority that do understand continue to be Moslems because they have redefined their morality and ethics to fit within the teachings of Islam, which are floridly lacking in morality. They therefore redefine what is good and evil in order to fit their lives into what is preached by Islam, instead of examining Islam to see if it fits within the good life. Backwards thinking, imposed by a backward religion.
    Professor Bertrand Russell
    British philosopher, logician, mathematician, historian, and social critic (18 May 1872 – 2 February 1970).



    Muslims are the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain others in the practice of this religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him.
    Joseph Ernest Renan
    French expert of Middle East ancient languages and civilizations (28 February 1823 – 2 October 1892).



    Religious harmony is a desirable thing. But it takes two to play the game. Unfortunately such a sentiment holds no position in Islamic theology.
    Ram Swarup
    Independent Hindu thinker and prolific author (1920 – 26 December 1998).



    In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle.
    John Quincy Adams
    American statesman and the sixth President of the United States from 1825 to 1829. He also served as a diplomat, a Senator and member of the House of Representatives. (July 11, 1767 – February 23, 1848)



    Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
    Sir Winston Churchill
    British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom (30 November 1874 – 24 January 1965).



    Without demolishing religious schools (madrasas) and minarets (mosques) and without abandoning the beliefs and ideas of the medieval age, restriction in thoughts and pains in conscience will not end. Without understanding that unbelief is a kind of religion, and that conservative religious belief a kind of disbelief, and without showing tolerance to opposite ideas, one cannot succeed. Those who look for the truth will accomplish the mission.
    Mevlana Jalal ad-Din Rumi
    Persian Sufi poet and philosopher. Sufi’s have been outlawed and persecuted for seven centuries in the Islamic world (1207 – 17 December 1273).



    The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation, there is nothing but contempt, slavery and enmity.
    Dr.B.R. Ambedkar
    Indian jurist, economist, politician and social reformer (14 April 1891 – 6 December 1956).



    Do not suppose the statements of the prophets to be true; they are all fabrications. Men lived comfortably till they came and spoiled life. The sacred books are only such a set of idle tales as any age could have and indeed did actually produce. They recite their sacred books, although the fact informs me that these are fiction from first to last. O Reason, thou (alone) speakest the truth. Then perish the fools who forged the religious traditions or interpreted them!
    Al-Ma’arri
    11th Century blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer. He labeled religions in general as “noxious weeds” and lay claim that Islam does not have a monopoly on truth.



    You can live amicably with a religion whose principle is toleration. But how is it possible to live with a religion whose principle is ‘I will not tolerate’? You cannot build unity on such basis. Perhaps the only way of making the Mohammedans harmless is to make them lose their faith in their religion.
    Sri Aurobindo
    Born Aurobindo Ghose, was an Indian nationalist, philosopher, yogi, guru, and poet (15 August 1872 – 5 December 1950).



    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
    Sir Winston Churchill
    British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom (30 November 1874 – 24 January 1965).



    Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached. God is not pleased by blood – and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats… To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death.
    Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaiologos
    Conversation between the Emperor and a Persian scholar, 1391.



    Some, indeed, dream of an Islam in the future, rationalised and regenerate. All this has been tried already, and has miserably failed. The Koran has so encrusted the religion in a hard unyielding casement of ordinances and social laws, that if the shell be broken the life is gone. A rationalistic Islam would be Islam no longer.
    Sir William Muir
    Scottish Orientalist, scholar of Islam, and colonial administrator (27 April 1819 – 11 July 1905).



    Let it be said right away: the massacres perpetrated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese in early days of America.
    Francois Gautier
    French writer and journalist based in India.



    The Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history.
    Will Durant
    American writer, historian, and philosopher (November 5, 1885 – November 7, 1981).



    The Muslim heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed many dreadful crimes. Mahmud of Ghazni, Qutb-ud-Din Aibak, Balban, Mohammed bin Qasim, and Sultan Mohammad Tughlak, all have blood-stained hands that the passage of years has not cleansed. Indeed, the presence of Muslim historians on their various campaigns has ensured that the memory of their deeds will live long after they were buried…..Seen through Hindu eyes, the Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster.
    Irfan Husain
    Pakistani columnist and writer for Dawn.



    ….eighty million were slaughtered and millions of women were raped…..it was standard practice for Islamic warlords like Ghori and Ghazni to unleash the mass rape and enslavement of hundreds of thousands of women after the slaughter of all males.
    An extremely large percentage of Muslims in South Asia today are the progeny of forcible conversions and systematic rape campaigns by marauding Muslim invaders.
    Dr. Younis Shaikh
    Pakistani medical doctor, human rights activist and freethinker.



    ..the number of victims of the persecutions of Hindus by Muslims is easily of the same order of magnitude as that of the Nazi extermination policy, though no one has yet made the effort of tabulating the reported massacres and proposing a reasonable estimate of how many millions exactly must have died in the course of the Islamic campaign against Hinduism (such research is taboo). On top of these there is a similar number of abductions and deportations to harems and slave-markets, as well as centuries of political oppression and cultural destruction……
    Koenraad Elst
    Belgian orientalist and Indologist.


    Muslims will only live as an oppressive majority and a turbulent minority.
    Dr K D Prithipal
    Professor of Comparative Religion, University of Alberta.



    A nationalist Muslim is only a contradiction in terms.
    Sardar Ballavbhai Patel
    Indian barrister and statesman, leader of the Indian National Congress and one of founding fathers of the Republic of India (31 October 1875 – 15 December 1950).



    From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions.
    Alain Danielou
    French historian, intellectual, musicologist, Indologist (4 October 1907 – 27 January 1994).



    The inner Muslim feeling of hatred against ‘unbelievers’ has spring up naked and unashamed…. We have seen, revived, as guide in practical politics, the old Muslim religion of the sword…. In thinking of an independent India, the menace of Mohammedan rule has to be considered.
    Annie Besant
    British socialist, theosophist, women’s rights activist, writer and orator. Party member of the Indian National Congress (1 October 1847 – 20 September 1933).



    The penalty for apostasy in Islamic law is death. Islam is conceived as a polity, not just as a religious community. It follows therefore that apostasy is treason. It is a withdrawal, a denial of allegiance as well as of religious belief and loyalty. Any sustained and principled opposition to the existing regime or order almost inevitably involves such a withdrawal.
    Bernard Lewis
    British-American historian, scholar in Oriental studies, and political commentator.



    The contrast between our own faith and Islam is most remarkable. There are in our Scriptures living germs of truth, which accord with civil and religious liberty, and will expand with advancing civilisation. In Islam it is just the reverse. The Koran has no such teaching as with us has abolished polygamy, slavery, and arbitrary divorce, and has elevated woman to her proper place. As a Reformer, Mahomet did advance his people to a certain point, but as a Prophet he left them fixed immovably at that point for all time to come.
    Sir William Muir
    Scottish Orientalist, scholar of Islam, and colonial administrator (27 April 1819 – 11 July 1905).



    He (Muhammad) poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust: to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.
    John Quincy Adams
    American statesman and the sixth President of the United States from 1825 to 1829. He also served as a diplomat, a Senator and member of the House of Representatives. (July 11, 1767 – February 23, 1848).



    Nor do divine pronouncements on the part of preceding prophets offer him [Muhammad] any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimonies of the Old and New Testaments by making them into fabrications of his own, as can be. seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place any faith in his words believe foolishly.
    St. Thomas Aquinas (Contra Gentiles, Book One, Chapter 6, Paragraph 4)
    Italian Dominican friar and Catholic priest and an immensely influential philosopher and theologian in the tradition of scholasticism (1225 – 7 March 1274).



    I have devoted most of my time during the last six months to the study of Muslim History and Muslim Law and I am inclined to think that Hindu-Muslim unity is neither possible nor practicable… I do honestly and sincerely believe in the necessity and desirability of Hindi-Muslim unity. I am also fully prepared to trust the Muslim leaders, but what about the injunctions of the Koran and Hadis. The leaders cannot override them.
    Lala Lajpat Rai
    Indian Punjabi author and politician who is chiefly remembered as a leader in the Indian fight for independence (28 January 1865 – 17 November 1928).



    If we go by the lessons of history we have to accept that the goal of the Hindu-Muslim unity is a mirage. When Muslims first entered India, they looted the country, destroyed the temples, broke the idols, raped the women and heaped innumerable indignities on the people of this country. Today it appears that such noxious behavior has entered the bone marrow of Muslims. Unity can be achieved among equals…. I am of the view that Hindu-Muslim unity, which could not be achieved during the last thousand years, will not materialize during the ensuing thousand years.
    Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay
    Bengali novelist and short story writer (15 September 1876 – 16 January 1938).



    The tree (of Islam) is of artificial planting. Instead of containing within itself the germ of growth and adaptation to the various requirements of time and clime and circumstance, expanding with the genial sunshine and rain from heaven, it remains the same forced and stunted thing as when first planted some twelve centuries ago.
    – Sir William Muir
    Scottish Orientalist, scholar of Islam, and colonial administrator (27 April 1819 – 11 July 1905).



    Indeed, the truths that he [prophet Muhammad] taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning. Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Muhammad forced others to become his followers by the violence of his arms.
    St. Thomas Aquinas (Contra Gentiles, Book One, Chapter 6, Paragraph 4)
    Italian Dominican friar and Catholic priest and an immensely influential philosopher and theologian in the tradition of scholasticism (1225 – 7 March 1274).



    A very important factor which is making it almost impossible for Hindu-Muslim unity to become an accomplished fact is that the Muslims cannot confine their patriotism to any one country. I had frankly asked many Muslims whether, in the event of any Mohammedan power invading India, they would stand side by side with their Hindu neighbours to defend their common motherland, I was not satisfied with the reply I got from them.
    Rabindranath Tagore
    Bengali polymath and Nobel Prize winner in Literature who reshaped Bengali literature and music, as well as Indian art (7 May 1861 – 7 August 1941).

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    blue roller wrote:There is nothing more tiresome than a Christian judging a Muslim when both faiths have a common root. Fanaticism. Crabs fighting in a bucket and dragging each other down while God pours in the water and puts them all on a slow boil.






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