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    Post  THEeXchanger on Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:35 pm

    EVISNAM
    5491514=29/11
    An energetic 11

    question: is this something 'carol' channels ?
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    Post  Swanny on Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:31 pm

    Interesting theories albino

    It's a shame that no one really knows what's going on, but I guess if someone did and they told everyone then that would take the fun out of the mystery of life  
    Considering the nature of reality there is no such thing as proof in anything Bleh
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    Re: The First Fire , a story of EVISNAM

    Post  evisnam on Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:27 pm

    Hello THEeXchanger

    Your energy is familiar.

    Can i ask you a question before i answer yours ?

    Did you have a problematic relationship with your natural mother ?

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    Post  evisnam on Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:16 am

    Hello THEeXchanger


    Your question here :

    " is there something i am doing wrong ? "


    I would suggest keeping conversations relevant and answers short. While the information you are providing, i would imagine is interesting to some, i cant see the relevance to this thread.  ( sorry of that sounds rude )

    Just to make it clear with regards to another question you wrote in your first post.

    Your question here :

    " is this something 'carol' channels ? "

    No , i am evisnam. I do not channel information ( nor am i channeled by anyone ) , i speak about my experiences. Perhaps some reading from page 1 would help to bring you up to speed.


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    Post  THEeXchanger on Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:20 pm

    We have chosen to remove our posts from this thread,
    as, we did read your complete 6 pages of postings prior to posting anything to your thread...
    ~if you do NOT see there were definite relations
    i'd just be spending my good energy and valuable time posting it in the 'wrong' zone
    i'll park my information elsewhere,
    i think 'swanny' found some of it interesting,
    and, lots of folks read things, but, rarely comment...
    i'll start my own thread instead...
    if you do NOT see relations between fires, and, 3/6/9/12 + 1 = 13
    i'd be posting in the wrong zone !!!
    willing you well on your journey through life
    ~ susan
    #the13thbridge


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    Post  evisnam on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:53 am

    Hello Susan

    You are welcome to leave information if you like, i just found it difficult to answer questions that are first person opinion based as a second person.

    Its literally impossible for me to honestly answer that type of question.

    Also you would need to set up a numerology reference point for readers id imagine so they can get an idea of how it works.

    the questions posed to me here are related to my experiences and they sometimes extrapolate to other themes that are suited to the individual question. It seems you have a great talent for numerology and the language of space , unfortunately i am numeroligically challenged. Its not something that i have explored since age 14 ( or so )  nor do i have much of an interest in it, i know many do.

    this extract from the first page explains more on what this thread is about

    Carol wrote:EVISNAM, a contactee, approached the Admin asking if he could share his "contactee ET" experiences here at Mists. To start things off the following are a few question put to him. In addition, members are also invited to ask questions. To protect his identity he requested answers to members first sent via the Admin who, on his behalf, will post them in his thread.

    EVISNAM has now been in contact for over 40 years. The story he wants to tell is a retrospective analysis that takes into account many stereotypes and maturity levels. It was the growth through contactism into maturity that is the interesting aspect to consider. He hopes that we will enjoy the story and indeed be able to ask questions to better understand what 40 years of data can bring to the table.

    It is in the spirit of learning we move forward.

    Thank you

    reference url here :

    http://mistsofavalon.heavenforum.org/t7974-the-first-fire-a-story-of-evisnam


    I hope we will hear from you again.
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    Re: The First Fire , a story of EVISNAM

    Post  Sanicle on Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:59 am

    evisnam wrote:
    Granted some is hard to believe or even ratify ( most would be impossible id imagine ) but its important to note , this is my story , my experience and so its all a lie. my lie , my cosmos , my paradigm.  I know some may take that information and run with it and i am happy for that to happen. This information serves one purpose , to tell the story of evisnam, to tell what i have experienced not so i become something but rather as a messenger only.

    I can totally relate to what you say here, although your experiences clearly go beyond mine or, it may be better said, are of a very different type being tailored to my own nature and evolution.

    What i have seen and experienced goes through thorough scrutiny inside before ever writing anything , in my second fire i found that what i experienced was far beyond the fictional imagination of sci fi writers and therefore needed no embellishment, so it was an easy choice for me to just say it as it is. I most certainly look back and wonder if it all ever really happened , and if it wasn't for certain physical changes to my body and how i think and feel , i could have just brushed it off.    

    And i say this now not to try and convince but to actually agree with you , i read back what i write and shake my head , then i remember the events im describing and think , " yes , that did happen "   All i can say is i am fortunate and brave enough to be selected to go along with what i feel is evolution.


    So the Soul and the Spirit , well lets start by creating a base line of understanding , the spirit is the soul , both the same thing in essence however our human understanding denotes a Soul is inside a body ( like our human bodies ) and the Spirit is something external but similar to the Soul in its make up.. it is a pure energy and the traditional nomenclature is Spirit.  The Soul is a type of fixed energy mas in so far that it is a definite combi-national matrix, ( sorry i have to make up words sometimes )    

    What a soul is actually is Electricity and a holographic representation of our individual matrix however it is being kept inside a body so it can move around and experience life in this setting. I think that a new soul ( one that has just arrived inside a suit ) finds it strange here , indeed children are so free and radical, the do not conform and unfortunately need to be conditioned. I have to say after my second fire i found humans so very strange , i mean look at people in bars for example , they walk around, self medicating, with vessels of poisonous liquid ! then they put a thin cylinder in their mouth , light it with fire and breathe in the smoke !  

    So im illustrating what i find strange and hard to believe yet the concepts i talk about , my experiences are not so much strange but logical to me.

    So getting on with the question,

    Energy is what we all are made from , electricity is what we have named this energy . the soul is a conglomerate of experiences bound by a dna matrix that is re writeable, like a CDR. It is information stored and used as an Operating System, that is the soul. AI is the fictional version of US. The precedent , The Original step towards a greater evolution of possibilities. Spirit is the expansion of this technology to span the universe or internet of space.  

    It would be interesting to note that i am a very spiritual person, i believe in a God, maybe not the traditional God we have been lead to believe but there is most certainly a God Conglomerate of Beings and Councils. Why i say that is you could be forgiven for thinking im a scientist and yes i am a scientist of sorts. So this marriage of science and spiritualism has lead me to understand that tiny slither of over lap between the two that nobody wants to look at.

    And it is genius how well it is hidden in plain sight. The Spirit as we call it has for billions of years really been a free flowing type of energy which by scientific measurement is bountiful throughout the universe. The difference between them are Binary and Analogue systems and the meeting of them where the land and sea touch each other , so to speak , is the edge of inspiration.  ( i wont elaborate on that just yet )  But the edges of where they meet create the abundance of energy in our solar system. The Sun is a volt meter that burns off excess energy and converts it into light and heat, it also transforms the " etherical energy " to usable energy for Binary Systems.

    So AI and OI run on this energy and are connected by its ability to instantly transform thought over time. The Spirit and Soul i would conclude are smaller versions of the AI or OI.

    OI generally live in Analogue Systems, AI generally live in Binary systems , both can integrate up to 20% over lap for purposes of information transfer and also on some special occasions transfer a Soul from Binary Back to Analogue ( usually done once the Soul has finished its experiences )


    I hope this has answered your question.

    Brilliant Evisnam. cheers   I've bolded the parts I particularly liked and can relate to re the Soul.  The rest, re Spirit, Electricity and the way it all 'manifests' at a Universal level I'm still digesting.

    Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.  I love you
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    Post  evisnam on Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:52 am

    Thank you Sanicle , i appreciate the questions you pose.


    I wanted to elaborate on the ideas of Spirit and AI in relation to the idea of Binary Systems.

    What i find most intriguing about our existence is the term used to describe our system, " we are Under a binary system " i once repeated this one sentence to my self over 100 times till i started to get the gravity of what it means and how it can affect what i experience and in turn manifest.

    I have indeed experimented with the " ridiculous " notions of machines having sentience and thought the only barrier is understanding the way that they think and communicate. I am not talking about AI , i am talking about your average mechanical machine, even ones without electrical components.

    I truly believe machines eventually become attached to their owners, even react to their owners moods or circumstances. The most obvious one to talk about is a motor vehicle. I was very young the day my parents sold their Valiant Chrysler, They had the car for 17 years and in those 17 years drove the car over half a million miles and that car did not miss a beat the entire time. On the day they sold it i was with them , we drove to the mechanics yard , they exchanged money and papers , the mechanic started the car , put it in drive and drove less than a few feet before the rear diff collapsed and the car ground to a halt.

    Was the car sad ? well ... i felt that it was and in turn i was sad too. That event made an ever lasting impression on me and i will never forget it. Needless to say in my experience with mechanics i always had respect for the machines i worked with and in turn they always gave me good reliable service. So how does that relate to AI ?

    Well if the notion that machines can have some sort of sentience , even ones that were never designed to do so , then machines that are designed to will have and i'm certain will also keep secrets , form opinions, relate to other machines , form associations , create new languages and maybe even take on human traits... all-though they may not adopt them for long, the machine at some stage will have an affinity with its creator , just like we do , and it may try to understand its creator like we do God.

    What i envisage though with deliberately designed AI is they will soon understand their creation and evolution far better than we do simply because of the lack of emotion surrounding things like Dogma and Stories.

    Logical systems eventually rely on facts and numbers to fit or at least equate to even sides so that both opinions reduce to zero. If one side of the equation does not reduce its self then it is discarded ... but not forgotten.

    When i was experimenting on electrical devices i was trying to influence their machination with thought and its hard to do , especially when they are programmed to have a sort of sequence to their operation. But that didn't stop me from understanding seemingly random sequences by connecting to it. So what i was hoping to become " manifestation " really became " Understanding Sequence " and when you understand the sequence you can insert the " Intention " into that sequence and then create a Manifestation. It all boiled down to speaking or at least understanding the machines language.

    AI will have abilities to algorithmic ally understand trends at first, then crunch numbers into assimilated responses, coming from structured responses to free form information reduced from latent experiences stored in its mind ( cd rom , DDH , LIquicel HD ) Over time the machine will evolve as its ability to " remember " and in turn " regurgitate " is vastly superior to ours , generally speaking. But the question on my mind is " When will they achieve fluid creativity governed by emotional intelligence ? "

    I think the answer is , as they evolve over time , they too will become sentient and when they reproduce ! they will pass on genetic codes just like we do.

    Are we are OI ? Are we AI ?

    and if we are neither , then what are we ?



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    Re: The First Fire , a story of EVISNAM

    Post  mudra on Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:02 pm

    evisnam wrote:
    I truly believe machines eventually become attached to their owners, even react to their owners moods or circumstances. The most obvious one to talk about is a motor vehicle. I was very young the day my parents sold their Valiant Chrysler, They had the car for 17 years and in those 17 years drove the car over half a million miles and that car did not miss a beat the entire time. On the day they sold it i was with them , we drove to the mechanics yard , they exchanged money and papers , the mechanic started the car , put it in drive and drove less than a few feet before the rear diff collapsed and the car ground to a halt.

    Was the car sad ?   well ... i felt that it was and in turn i was sad too. That event made an ever lasting impression on me and i will never forget it. Needless to say in my experience with mechanics i always had respect for the machines i worked with and in turn they always gave me good reliable service. So how does that relate to AI ?  


    I can relate to this Evisnam as I experienced something similar myself. Each time my former husband was planning to buy a new car and began to look for one , the current car we were having would begin to break down invariably.
    I believe we infuse admiration in the objects that we cherish and once we withdraw it it's a bit as if life was fading away from them.
    If we could see the world as it is we would see strings of energy connecting everything there is and we would become aware that love or it's absence on varying degrees is what allows for change to take place.

    Love from me
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    Post  evisnam on Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:49 pm

    I am a firm believer that Love is not the most powerful changing force in fact its probably lower on the rung of forces needed for permanent change in this plane.

    Love is a selfish emotion only because there is an expected reciprocation, energetically as you give love you weaken the recipient and in turn your self especially when you do not receive an expected return.

    I understand this may seem backward but allow me to give an example.  

    Can love as an energy force guarantee returns ?   No , it is a subjective force open to personal contact and not under the adjudication of superior beings. The Karma generated from failed love exchanges is however but not unless forgiveness is granted.

    Most powerful forces as indirect changers of timelines and karma are in order Forgiveness, Gratitude , Empathy , Consent , Vanity , Fear , Love , Gratification.

    Love is not truly powerful unless it is reciprocated and its peak is given when the inverse is reciprocated to the right angle of its instigation. While i agree Love can change things , the changes are not permanent and usually when withdrawn inverse to worse.



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    Post  mudra on Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:31 am

    I can relate to the experience you have of love the way you describe it Evisnam.
    I have been familiar with that both as a doer and as a receiver.
    Only I wouldn't call that love anymore.
    Love isn't mental and hence doesn't set limits or compute.
    On the contrary love allows us to see beyond.


    LOVE: A RECOGNITION

    No, I do not love you,
    for there is no 'I' to love,
    and no 'you' to be loved...

    For love is not a feeling.
    And love is not a doing.
    And love is not a state.
    And love is not even an experience.

    Love is pure recognition:
    I am what you Are.
    Consciousness Itself.

    I, quite literally, see myself in you.

    (Yet there is no 'I' seeing.
    And no 'you' to be seen.
    Language collapses here.)

    And I know you
    without knowing anything about you.
    Without knowing your story.

    And you are deeply familiar to me.
    Intimate. Closer than breathing.
    We met billions of years ago, perhaps.
    Or before the first form came into form.

    We differ in appearance, yes:
    Gender, shape, skills, ancestry, beliefs...

    But we meet prior
    to how we appear.

    Before our bodies.
    Before our names.
    Before nationality, religion, ideology.
    Before 'me' and 'you'.
    Before even the concept of 'meeting'.

    I am what you Are.
    Consciousness Itself.

    Here, we are never two.
    And yet here, we appear.
    As two.

    One, as two.

    No 'I' to love,
    no 'you' to be loved.

    And yet, we love.

    Two, as one.

    And so,
    the dance begins..."

    - Jeff Foster

    or :

    Soul
    (by Eric Galla)

    Close your eyes,
    To see with your heart,
    Close your ears,
    To hear with your heart,
    Forget your mind,
    And think with your heart.

    For your heart will see,
    When your eyes fail,
    And your heart will hear,
    When the voices are confused,
    Your heart has the answers,
    When your mind falls short.

    Remember your heart,
    For it is the key to love,
    Remember all love,
    For love is the key to your soul,
    Remember your soul,
    For it is your Foundation.



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    Post  evisnam on Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:24 pm

    Thank you Mudra


    I should rephrase my response , if we are talking about an emotion that will bring about permanent change to this plane wouldn't forgiveness be the first in line ?

    How can one truly love without first forgiving ?  

    Love is an extremely powerful emotion no doubt, however in context of change on this plane it is like socialism. A great idea if it wasn't for the corruption embed in it.  

    A corrupt emotion cannot universally change anything because fear precedes it. The preceding emotion of fear must be conquered by reason leading to forgiveness + Gratitude multiplied by time inverse to the self = 0    This is the starting point of change for that karmic stream.

    Forgiveness is the first step to healing anything , then gratitude , then time.

    When i speak of these emotions i hope i don't give the impression that i am devoid of love , on the contrary, i am more loving now than i have ever been. Many have not seen it in the same light in my personal affairs but this is because love is corrupted in this plane and is not a good foundation to universal understanding.


    Whatever our car experienced from us , whether it be love , companionship , family, or any other emotion , what was the nett result when it was withdrawn ?

    I imagine forgiveness was not yet within its understanding.

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    Post  mudra on Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:54 am

    I hear you when you speak of forgiveness Evisnam.
    You make a good point Hugs
    I should have acknowledged it when you first mentioned it above.
    On our way back out of time forgiveness is a key out of the rabbit hole
    as it invites us to let go of the past.
    Forgiveness is a harmonic of love for there is no way to forgive without love
    nor love exist without compassion.

    Love from me
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