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    Post  bobhardee on Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:32 am

    6/8/2016

    When Disclosure Serves Secrecy
    by Steven M. Greer M.D.

    Ending the secrecy surrounding the UFO/ET subject is a laudable goal. It is long overdue. It would transform the world in ways both simple and profound.

    And yet it is fraught with danger.

    The covert projects which have been running UFO related programs for nearly 60 years are not interested in a disclosure which upsets their apple cart. They want such a disclosure to transform their apple cart into a freight train. And they potentially have the power and connections to do it.
    There are multiple scenarios attending the disclosure of the UFO subject- and not all of them have the best interests of humanity at heart. Elsewhere, in the new book Extraterrestrial Contact: The Evidence and Implications I write about the kind of disclosure the world needs. An honest one. An open one. One which replaces secrecy with democracy. A disclosure which is peaceful, scientific and hopeful.

    But then there is the disclosure the powers that be would like to see: Manipulated. Calculated to consolidate power and engender fear. Configured in such a way that chaos and a deepening need for Big Brother is carefully inculcated into the masses.

    We have seen the plans and it is not a pretty picture.
    I write this as a warning. A warning that the wolves in sheep clothes are very cunning indeed. And have almost limitless resources. Most who work with them do not even know they are wolves. Indeed, it is likely that many of the wolves have been convinced that they are sheep.

    The UFO matter is not so much a mystery as a matter deliberately obfuscated and mystified. Confusion and a lack of clarity serves the larger covert goal of keeping it off the long-range radar of society while power and plans are consolidated quietly. And the one thing more dangerous to society than all this secrecy is a planned, contrived disclosure run by the keepers of the secrets.

    For years such plans have been made - to be unfurled at just the right time. During a time of great expectation. Of social confusion. Perhaps of millennial madness?

    I have personally met with a number of people who are very involved with such plans. I do not speculate here. Be aware: The disclosure of UFO reality is being planned very carefully. It will assiduously follow a scheme to spin the subject in just the right way - the only way which will further redound to the glory and power of the secret-keepers. It will be a false disclosure - one born out of the age-old bane of human existence: selfishness and greed. Greed for power. Greed for control. Greed for domination.

    We must be mature and informed on such matters. Only a vigilant and informed public can see through such deceit - and correct it should such a plan be unfurled. Every citizen needs to know that great good can come from the truth being known. But the mature citizen must also recognize that the 'truth' can be spun and spun again - until the goals of those who crave secret and overt power are met.

    Consider: One scenario for disclosure is that the UFO and Extraterrestrial subject is acknowledged in a way which is scientific and hopeful. Excessive secrecy which lacks executive branch and congressional oversight is ended. Humanity begins to entertain open contact with other civilizations, with peaceful engagement as the goal. Technologies which are currently suppressed are allowed to be disseminated: Pollution ends. An economy of abundance and social justice is firmly established. Global environmental destruction and mind-numbing world poverty become a faint memory. Zero-point based energy devices transform the world. Electro-gravitic devices permit above ground travel without paving over the world's precious fertile farm land. As an ET once told Colonel Philip Corso, "Its a new world, if you can take it...". This is the disclosure which we are working for.

    But the disclosure envisioned above could have happened in 1950. It did not - Why? For such a disclosure would lead to the total transformation of the status quo. Centralized energy systems would be obsolete. Oil would be useful only for lubricants and synthetics. The geo-political order of today would be a thing forgotten: Every country and people on Earth would have such a high degree of progress and advancement that all nations would have a seat at the global table. Power would need to be shared. Peaceful acknowledgment of life from elsewhere would make the Earth seem like the very small, organic homeland which it is. The vast trillion dollar global military - industrial sector would be reigned in. And a universal spirituality might dawn...

    But remember, there are hugely powerful interests who dread this scenario. For them, it is the end of the world as they know it. The end of centralized, elite power. The end of a controlled geo-political order which today leaves nearly 90% of the people of Earth barely one step out of the stone age. And they do not wish to share the power they wield.

    Now, let me describe the 'disclosure' which would make these covert control programs happy. This is the false or contrived 'disclosure' which has only one clear goal: The further consolidation of their power and their paradigm. It has to do with fear, not love. With war, not peace. With division and conflict, not unity. It is the dominant paradigm - but it is slipping away slowly. And a carefully orchestrated disclosure of the 'facts' of the UFO and ET subject could secure their power. This is the disclosure which is to be dreaded. This is the disclosure to watch out for. This is the disclosure which is already occurring.

    My meetings over the past 9 years with covert operatives who have worked on UFO related programs have introduced me to some characters right out of a spy novel - and then some. Whether in private high tech industry, at the Pentagon or at a midnight meeting in a private mansion, a theme has emerged. It is one of immense, though currently hidden, power. It transcends government as we know it (at this point the government of 'We the people...' has been made irrelevant on this issue). And the theme has two main strands - the eventual covert militarization of the ET subject and a weird covert religious strain which can only be viewed as bizarre.
    Here, we find some very strange bed-fellows indeed. War mongers and militarists in cahoots with industrialists who share a certain bizarre eschatological bent: A dark view of the future, featuring an extraterrestrial Armageddon - or at least the threat of it. Such a theme supports retrograde and fanatical religious causes as well as deeply covert military-industrial plans to expand the arms race into space.

    In fact, the big players in the so-called 'civilian UFO community' are tied into such beliefs and agendas. It strains credulity, I admit, but here is what we have found by penetrating these operations.

    From a military-industrial perspective, the disclosure of choice is one which frames the UFO/ET issue in a threatening manner. If a threat from space can be established (as President Reagan liked to say) then the entire world can be united around the need to fight such a threat. This would ensure trillion dollar plus military - industrial spending well into the next century, and beyond. If you think the cold war was costly, wait until you see the price tag for this 'protection' from the 'threats' in space: The trillions spent on the cold war will look like a blue light special.

    Retrograde and fanatical religious groups, similarly, have great vested interests in fulfilling the promise of Armageddon. An eschatological paradigm, well enshrined in the belief systems of those running covert UFO projects, is supported by the portrayal of a cosmic conflict in the heavens. Voila! We have the necessity of spinning the UFO/ET issue in the evil invading aliens (translates in religious terms as demons) direction. Indeed, this has already been accomplished, courtesy of the 'civilian UFO community' and the tabloid media (swhich at this point is virtually all media...).

    Additionally, there is a subtext which can only be viewed as thinly veiled racism. You will note that part of the 'new myth' regarding UFOs involves the 'good ETs', which invariably are described as 'Pleidians' who are 'handsome' white, blue-eyed Aryan appearing types. Naturally, those 'evil, bad ETs' are darker, shorter, look funny and smell funny. Please. Such clap-trap would have us trade age-old human racism for an extraterrestrial variety. This nonsense and propaganda could only make Hitler proud.
    In one lengthy meeting with a multi-billionaire, I was told that he gave great support to UFO activities which propel the so-called 'alien abduction' subject into public awareness because he wanted humanity to unite around fighting this 'alien threat'. Later, this very influential figure informed me that he believed these demonic ETs were the cause of every setback in human history since Adam and Eve. Sound familiar?

    Military interests, which are heavily involved in covert projects which hoax ET events, such as human military- related abductions, have a shared goal of demonizing the UFO/ET phenomenon. Doing so lays the foundations for the fear and dread necessary for an organized opposition to all things ET. And this subserves the longterm need to provide a rationale for an expanding global military even should world peace emerge. In fact, under this scenario, 'world peace', or strictly speaking peace on Earth, could be secured by the world uniting, eventually, against the 'threat from space' referred to by resident Reagan. (By the way, personally I believe Reagan was the victim of disinformation specialists who surrounded him and who manipulated him into the statements he made on this subject.)

    Under this scenario, currently being gamed and 'disclosed' courtesy of the trial balloon UFO 'community', we would get peace on Earth - in exchange for interplanetary conflict. One step forward, ten steps back. Wonderful.
    Such a false and contrived 'disclosure of the truth' regarding UFOs and ETs would, then, subserve agendas held by powerful covert interests in both the military-industrial sector and those of a strange collection of religious fanatics, who pine for Armageddon - and the sooner the better.

    Lest the reader think such a strange amalgam of militarists and cult-like religious interests are unlikely, remember the weird views of the Third Reich. Or more recently, the views of one US Department of the Interior cabinet secretary during the Reagan years named James Watt. It was he who, not knowing a microphone was still on and recording his comments, stated in the 1980s that we did not need to worry about all these environmental problems since Armageddon was coming soon and the world would be destroyed anyway...This bizarre view, held by a man who shaped and applied policy for the Interior Department of the US Government, was later reported in the general media. At the time a comical footnote perhaps. But what does it say about the degree to which such beliefs may be shaping covert UFO policy - and specifically disclosure plans? We have found that such views - bizarre as they may seem to most - are heavily represented in covert policy development on the UFO subject.

    And most disconcerting of all: This strange mixture of military cosmic saber-rattling and bizarre religious beliefs are the dominant forces shaping both the 'civilian UFO community' and the planned eventual 'spin' on UFO disclosure. Let the buyer beware.

    To the rational and intellectual, such views seem ridiculous. Why, you might ask, would anyone want a cosmic war in space, an Armageddon and the destruction of the Earth? To comprehend this, you have to get inside the head of people who hold such beliefs - people like James Watt. In his case, why worry about a little bit of deforestation, air pollution and areas of dead oceans if the entire world is going to be destroyed in a couple of years anyway?

    But the thinking goes further than this. Because such fanatical thinking has within it the concept that as a result of the Armageddon we will see the return of Christ- and with it the good people's salvation. Now, people are free to believe what they want. But what we have found is a deliberate influencing of covert policy on UFOs by such beliefs. Some of these people want Armageddon - and they want it ASAP.

    Strictly speaking, the militarists and war-mongers, itching to 'kick some alien butt' as it was said in the movie Independence Day, may actually only want a pretext to justify their existence and get the world to eventually spend huge sums of money on a perceived (if contrived) threat from space.
    But in some cases - high up on the food chain of the covert entity running UFO secrecy - the two views meet. A place where militarism and eschatology merge. Where Star Wars and Armageddon join.

    In tracing the history of both the UFO civilian community and the covert policy-making group concerned with UFOs, we have found a growing penetration of the latter into the former. So much so that at this point there are projects which ostensibly are innocent civilian initiatives but which in reality are totally controlled and financed by 'cut-outs' from ultra-secret projects.

    Moreover, our careful penetration of such projects yielded the disturbing finding that deep-cover black project operatives are working closely with alleged civilian researchers, journalists and UFO glitterati. CIA and military intelligence operatives are working with civilian 'think tank' heads, alongside very wealthy business people who are eschatologists, and being advised by 'civilian' technologists and scientists - who are themselves proponents of bizarre religious belief systems involving the end of the world and ETs...

    Thus, the new 'chosen ones' have been assembled. They are planning your disclosure on the UFO/ET subject. They are owned by the money whores and power brokers doing the bidding of the secret entity which runs UFO projects to begin with. And it all looks like a civilian initiative. So innocent. So well-intended. So 'scientific'. And by the way, the sky is falling courtesy of ET and we need your money and your souls to defend against it.
    Do not be deceived. You need to be awake to the darker scenarios which some would like to thrust upon the world. And you need to know that there are alternatives. If a 'disclosure' is unleashed on the world which is xenophobic, militaristic and terrifying, know that it comes from the spinmeisters of secrecy- regardless of how respectable the person or group may appear to be.

    And remember: Part of this disclosure plan involves the use of UFO look-alike devices made by humans in an attack on Earth or military assets of Earth. This would be a well-orchestrated use of advanced human technologies to hoax an ET attack- all for the purpose of disclosing the truth with the desired military-oriented spin. In such a scenario, most of humanity will be deceived into believing the threat from space has arrived - and that we must fight it at all costs. This is nothing more than long-term social security for the military-industrial complex. There must be people who can expose this fraud.

    But why should we wait for these darker scenarios to be unleashed on an unsuspecting world?

    Here is another idea: Why don't 'we the people' unite and launch a disclosure which resembles the first one described above. An honest one. One which leads to peace, not war. To a sustainable and beautiful world, free of pollution and brimming with abundance, of all types. One which reaches out into the unknown, instead of firing particle beam weapons into the darkness of space.

    Additionally, we welcome those who can come forward with first hand knowledge of the machinations referred to in this paper and who wish to expose such madness to contact us. The one thing the darkness of secrecy cannot tolerate is a spotlight shining right on it. And the more of us holding the light, the better.

    Evil steps in when good people do nothing. This is a lesson taught through thousands of years of human history. We stand at the beginning of a new time, and a new world awaits us. But we must embrace it, and help create it. For if we are passive, others will have their way- at least in the short run.

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    Re: Disclosure: From suppression to Contact and Interaction.

    Post  Pris on Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:26 am

    bobhardee wrote:6/8/2016

    When Disclosure Serves Secrecy
    by Steven M. Greer M.D.....

    .............From a military-industrial perspective, the disclosure of choice is one which frames the UFO/ET issue in a threatening manner. If a threat from space can be established (as President Reagan liked to say) then the entire world can be united around the need to fight such a threat. This would ensure trillion dollar plus military - industrial spending well into the next century, and beyond. If you think the cold war was costly, wait until you see the price tag for this 'protection' from the 'threats' in space: The trillions spent on the cold war will look like a blue light special.

    Retrograde and fanatical religious groups, similarly, have great vested interests in fulfilling the promise of Armageddon. An eschatological paradigm, well enshrined in the belief systems of those running covert UFO projects, is supported by the portrayal of a cosmic conflict in the heavens. Voila! We have the necessity of spinning the UFO/ET issue in the evil invading aliens (translates in religious terms as demons) direction. Indeed, this has already been accomplished, courtesy of the 'civilian UFO community' and the tabloid media (swhich at this point is virtually all media...).

    Additionally, there is a subtext which can only be viewed as thinly veiled racism. You will note that part of the 'new myth' regarding UFOs involves the 'good ETs', which invariably are described as 'Pleidians' who are 'handsome' white, blue-eyed Aryan appearing types. Naturally, those 'evil, bad ETs' are darker, shorter, look funny and smell funny. Please. Such clap-trap would have us trade age-old human racism for an extraterrestrial variety. This nonsense and propaganda could only make Hitler proud.
    In one lengthy meeting with a multi-billionaire, I was told that he gave great support to UFO activities which propel the so-called 'alien abduction' subject into public awareness because he wanted humanity to unite around fighting this 'alien threat'. Later, this very influential figure informed me that he believed these demonic ETs were the cause of every setback in human history since Adam and Eve. Sound familiar?





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    Re: Disclosure: From suppression to Contact and Interaction.

    Post  bobhardee on Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:17 am

    6/13/2016

    It's plasma baby!!!

    Patty Greer discloses key secret in Crop Circle Diaries: Mother Earth is the CropCirclemaker
    Crop Circles are coming out of Mother Earth.....spinning.  Circles always occur on top of aquapheres and located on lay lines.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYHmz1_Pec


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    Post  bobhardee on Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:50 pm

    6/16/2016
    Most interesting.. If you haven't watched Patty Greer in the previous video, you may want to take the time to listen. Like this one, it is a radio interview.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eciYufyKPBg

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    Post  Pris on Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:19 am

    bobhardee wrote:6/13/2016

    It's plasma baby!!!

    Patty Greer discloses key secret in Crop Circle Diaries: Mother Earth is the CropCirclemaker
    Crop Circles are coming out of Mother Earth.....spinning.  Circles always occur on top of aquapheres and located on lay lines.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYHmz1_Pec


    http://www.pattygreer.net/

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    I couldn't really get into this one (I skimmed it so I hope I got the gist of it).  The lady's over-enthusiasm kind of put me off...  like an over-sell (and her website is all about selling something...  there's no shortage of things to buy).  My feeling here is that there may be some black ops going on using advanced technology that's making these crop formations as opposed to Earth (and/or average folks 'connecting' with Earth) doing it.  Personally, I just can't get into the whole 'Mother Earth is the cropcirclemaker'.  

    I'm also starting to feel less and less comfortable with the whole 'mother' Earth thing (the 'Gaia' movement as a whole [feels so cult-like]).  The idea here is... too personified (eg. 'she' is listening to us) and polarized, IMO.  

    That some basic 'counter-rotating' circular crop formations may be formed by nature, however, does seem very possible to me (vorticular energy).  The complex patterned crop formations, however, look to me like someone taking clip art from a catalog and, using technology the general public is not privy to, stamping them out into the fields in order to play around and create a so-called 'phenomena'.  I think humans are fully capable of making these crop formations and we don't need some mystical explanation for it.

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    Post  Pris on Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:56 am

    bobhardee wrote:6/16/2016
    Most interesting..  If you haven't watched Patty Greer in the previous video, you may want to take the time to listen.  Like this one, it is a radio interview.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eciYufyKPBg

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    I did my best to skim this one (it's a long video), and the part on remote viewing interested me.  The idea that you don't want to know what the target is when you remote view so that you avoid being 'front loaded' (having the left brain jumping to conclusions beforehand) makes total sense.  Also, if you get emotionally involved, it apparently 'messes up' your viewing.  This all fits in with my own experiences with the OBEs and lucid dreams I've had so far.  When you go in with an expectation or a belief (plus emotion), you literally create that 'reality'.  That's why I'm dubious about anyone who claims to have, for example, so-called interactions with ETs during altered states.  

    Even I've had a Grey appear momentarily in my kitchen while I was having an OBE.  At the time, I intended for it to happen.  And, because I was emotionally invested in the whole idea, I've come to conclude that I myself made it happen.  Was it a 'real' experience?  Sure.  To me, it was 'real' as far as altered states go.  It's like having your own personal 'holodeck' that you can preprogram.

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    Re: Disclosure: From suppression to Contact and Interaction.

    Post  bobhardee on Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:45 pm

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    Hi Pris,
    To me Alfred is not easy to listen to. I enjoy him and the people he interviews but find it best that I not be distracted by anything else while tuning into his program. It's like he has had a stroke and he is gathering his thoughts and doing his best not to stutter. I don't mean to sound mean or harsh because he does a decent job as an interviewer. He is not nearly as good as the two radio personalities who did the interview regarding the UFO. They were amazing at getting people to talk and share and to pry information out of them. At no time, did either one try to impose their thoughts or opinions..until the interview was over. The first person they interviewed, they did not care for because they thought he was just trying to sell his book instead of really discussing it as the person did when they did their second interview. Patty Greer was like that somewhat and at first did to seem to have a chip on her shoulder..... That was related to being professionally overlooked because she is a woman working in a man's world but Alfred was cool enough that he smoothed it out, she relaxed and got into telling about the crop circles....and how she got addicted to them. Instead of a book she is selling films. Not an easy way to make a living but by the end of the interview, I was ready to go watch one....or at least rent one. Try taking a stiff drink or a Valium and start listening to Patty about half way through. If you still don't like it, at least you will feel good when its over. Razz If you can skip the first interview and go for the second in the UFO video, you may enjoy that one as well.

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    Post  Pris on Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:53 pm

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    "Try taking a stiff drink or a Valium and start listening to Patty about half way through.
    If you still don't like it, at least you will feel good when its over. Razz"
    .... Lmao

    Very funny! Big Grin 2  Yes, I admit I can be stubborn.  I have a low tolerance level for anything I perceive to be irritating, am over-critical and lack patience for most things.  I have to pay money to watch her films?  Meh... I'm just not feeeling it.  Well, I am feeling something -- my insides kind of ache in an uncomfortable way when I look at and listen to her stuff. Bleh  Maybe it's just the whole 'crop circle' phenomena.  I used to be very interested in that subject and imagined/believed the craziest stuff about it, but not anymore.  We've been fooled so many times in so many ways...  You know what I mean?

    I do appreciate your efforts on my behalf, Bob. Cheerful

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    Post  bobhardee on Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:48 am

    I hear ya.
    And I agree.  It's easy to think that Dave and Ernie are out there with their boards creating crop circles.  Now when you look at how complicated some of the designs are how D and E would have to have an army of midgets helping them out to pull these things off in the hour or so that it takes for them to appear; maybe, just maybe there is something more.  Once she relaxed, Patty was able to really real off fact after fact about crop circles around the world.  The statistics were impressive.  Now I don't have a crop circle fact checker so I have to take her word and yes......... we have been burned before.   Her point seemed to be of all of the UFO or alternative news that is available today, corp circles get dismissed first when maybe we should not be doing that.  
    Open yourself to the possibilities.  Who knows.

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    check this out. Just maybe this wackoooo has a point.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cek55IanYVU
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    Post  bobhardee on Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:51 pm

    6/21/2016

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwtPnf-30Rk&index=3&list=PL7O74lmJlwYsU78drE8q1Z5_JpYxpJNu2

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    Post  Pris on Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:33 am

    bobhardee wrote:I hear ya.
    And I agree.  It's easy to think that Dave and Ernie are out there with their boards creating crop circles.  Now when you look at how complicated some of the designs are how D and E would have to have an army of midgets helping them out to pull these things off in the hour or so that it takes for them to appear; maybe, just maybe there is something more.  Once she relaxed, Patty was able to really real off fact after fact about crop circles around the world.  The statistics were impressive.  Now I don't have a crop circle fact checker so I have to take her word and yes......... we have been burned before.   Her point seemed to be of all of the UFO or alternative news that is available today, corp circles get dismissed first when maybe we should not be doing that.  
    Open yourself to the possibilities.  Who knows.

    Bob H


    check this out.  Just maybe this wackoooo has a point.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cek55IanYVU

    Ha, ha, ha.  Amusing you are, Bob. Bleh  Just what is it exactly you're trying to tell me, eh?  My brain is possibly being influenced by fluctuating magnetic poles (or something like that) and it's clouding my... cognitive abilities?  Cute. LOL  

    This whole subject of 'crop circles' made me think of a parallel with the 'global warming' debate.  Remember how it started out as such but, when people weren't buying it, it changed to 'climate change'?  And, the key words in all of it from the beginning have been 'man-made'?  You never hear them talk about 'climate change' (whether it's real or not isn't the point) on mainstream media as anything other than a so-called 'man-made' phenomena.  The possibility of 'climate change' as a natural event is never brought up.  I was thinking how the same thing can be applied to the 'crop circle' debate -- but, in this case, reversed.  The question that always goes hand-in-hand with 'crop circles' is: "Is it man-made?"  Is it man-made as opposed to what?  ET made?  Mother Earth made etc etc?!

    This 'man-made' label conjures up two guys making circles with a plank of wood.  However, 'man-made' can also mean being made by humans with advanced technology.  Interestingly, you don't hear people talk much about that.  Why?  With trillions of dollars missing, the military black ops must be having a heyday with research and development over the past several decades.  It's completely feasible.  Why not consider it?

    For the record, I don't think that stomping out crop formations with a wooden plank is the answer!! lol!  Obviously, that's not what's going on (well, it's part of it and they've actually gotten quite good at it apparently).

    Anyway!

    Crop formations with all the 'residual' effects (eg. radiation, grasses with blown nodes, fried soil etc) are definitely not made with a wooden plank.  But, as I've said, they could possibly be made by us humans with advanced technology -- technology that the public is not privy to.

    If the military (black ops) is behind almost all the complex, elaborate crop formations, why?  Why the agenda to make it look like something other than 'humans' are making these things?  To hide the possible few 'authentic' (multi-layer/multi-depth) crop formations from scrutiny because they REALLY are being made by something other than humans?  

    OR, is it a coverup inside a coverup?  What if the military is responsible for making ALL the formations including the few apparent 'authentic' ones -- all as some kind of elaborate gag to keep the general public believing in the possibility that ETs really exist?  If so, why?  Being military, take a wild guess as to why.  First of all, they can use it as a cover to hide their experimental aircraft under the title of 'plausible deniability'.  Secondly, if enough people believe in 'little green men', they can fabricate the whole 'threat from outer space' angle (which has already been publicly implied here and there) in order to weaponize space with the consent of the public -- after all, we're supposed to think we are (at the very least and on a bad day) a democracy (well, they've probably already secretly weaponized space but that's another topic).  They just need us to believe there's a threat from 'out there' and are warming us up to accept whatever they dish out.  

    No matter what, they've managed to polarize the public with this subject (eg. 'good' ETs vs 'bad' ETs).  We could debate this issue 'till kingdom come and still not get to the bottom it because it was probably all bull shite to begin with.  It's a great tactic to keep us confused and arguing amongst ourselves.

    Btw, I'm not saying there aren't ETs out there, but if I was one, I'd keep my distance.


    I found an article as something to consider that kind of explains where I'm attempting to go with this:


    Who or what is responsible for increasingly sophisticated crop circles?

    Hoaxers,

    Advanced beings from somewhere, or

    Advanced human technology hidden from the public?



    Alien ‘Signs’ of Disinformation
    by Uri Dowbenko

    So are crop circles the work of hoaxers -- or aliens with too much time on their hands? Not very likely. Some crop circles may be created by Terra-based technology that incorporate gravity waves or other esoteric science.

    Former aerospace engineer Brian Desborough, in his book, They Cast No Shadows: A collection of essays on the Illuminati, revisionist history and suppressed technologies (iUniverse) says that crop circles are in many cases due to Mossbauer Beam technology.

    "Some UFO writers and lecturers who lack a scientific background claim that humans lack the technology to create such complex crop circles," he writes. "For the record, the basic crop circle characteristics outlined above are exactly the evidential signs that would remain if the crop circle were to be created by means of a low powered gamma ray beam device. Such technology was only implemented into widespread use by the military during the past two decades -- the same time period that elaborate crop circles first began to appear."

    "The swollen nodes of grain stalks are of high moisture content; the high frequency gamma ray beam would cause the moisture in the nodes to convert to super heated steam, swelling and softening the nodal cells and causing the stalks to bend in the direction swept by the beam," he continues. "Such beams are capable of creating extremely fine detail; the high frequency clicking sound which is emitted from newly formed circles strongly suggests that the beam systems employed in this duplicitous act incorporate Mossbauer beam technology. The soil within the circle would emit radiation and any creature unfortunate enough to be irradiated by the beam would be carbonized."

    Desborough's conclusion about crop circles remains the most logical explanation on the topic. He writes, "In order to add to the illusion that crop circles are the creation of a technologically superior race of extraterrestrials, the Mossbauer beam units probably are mounted in terrestrially manufactured flying saucers," echoing the conclusions of Bill Lyne, author of Pentagon Aliens: Flying Saucers Are Man Made Electrical Machines and Occult Ether Physics.


    For entire article:
    http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/crop_circles.htm
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    Post  Eartheart on Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:31 am

    this interbrain fair got me all x-ited...

    We#ve seen the drones with that Moosbauer effect inaction,
    but we got the channelings from a renegate pleyadian crew
    doing championships of creating the next circle, which contains
    multidim vibrational vortexes and lightgrids, acupuncture for thou
    earthcore and related mineral grids....

    Shouldnt the beauty transcendent those speculations & Crazy Happy ???
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    Post  Eartheart on Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:39 am

    bounce And than is there the strange phenomenes, when you get woken in night, allert some friends via phone, drive miles through unknowncountryside and then witness somewhere a corncircle in the making, marvelously
    not sleeping but getting input as well as the fields, while this kind of holodeck communication could change the ways how you use intelligence...

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    Post  Pris on Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:06 pm

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    Everything you're describing, Eartheart, can still be the machinations of humans with a lot of time, money, and technology on their hands.  Who best to manipulate humans and the human mind in every way conceivable?  We've always been best at screwing ourselves.

    And, don't even get me started on altered states. Wink

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    Post  Eartheart on Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:52 pm

    Pris, what do you know about uninterupted altered state fluctuation,
    multitudiple personality order and 15 enlighted chakras to do reiki or
    just loove some flowers... The hero in top13 would run off with you,
    but where would the predictive campain end of controljunkies and AI,
    see the drone psy-op which reintoduces Lisa to just being in a film...

                                             
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    Post  bobhardee on Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:00 pm

    Gosh aren't we all having funnnnnn.
    Love it.
    clown

    The force is strong here.
    Bob H.

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    Post  Pris on Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:51 am

    Eartheart wrote:Pris, what do you know about uninterupted altered state fluctuation,
    multitudiple personality order and 15 enlighted chakras to do reiki or
    just loove some flowers... The hero in top13 would run off with you,
    but where would the predictive campain end of controljunkies and AI,
    see the drone psy-op which reintoduces Lisa to just being in a film...

                                             

    I probably know less about uninterrupted altered state fluctuation etc. and more about uninterrupted flatulation. Nuke  Crazy Happy
    That never stopped me from expressing my opinion with what little I do know.

    What is it they say?  The more you know, the less you know?
    So, maybe it's a good thing I don't know that much. Very Happy  That just means I have much less to 'unlearn'.
    I feel I know enough about certain subjects to not bother wasting any more of my time on them (subject to change without notice). cheers

    I'm wary of anything that comes across too complex.





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    Post  Eartheart on Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:19 am

    Me thinks that unlearning flatuation is a nobel goal,
    meanwhile easy with a diet palable and happy...

    Acid reflux comes from weaponizing people so we
    need to reflex you a bit to get you back to beauty...

    Prob is that we where all a bit freaked out by the groteskness
    of these simpsons and all related vibes of satanic funnnnnnnn...

    Lets shoot them and get over with!!! santa

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    Post  bobhardee on Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:04 am

    study
    Gas: The release of such.
    scratch
    lol! Insanely Happy


    Perhaps it time to Freedom
    A Cow mooing on....so to speak.
    Musical Sing a Disclosure: From "Suppression to Contact and Interaction" song

    Toast To Life and all it brings.
    Wish we could all sit and share a beer and a bit to eat.
    It would be fun.

    Thanks

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    Post  bobhardee on Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:09 am

    6/30/2016

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwGlB9lChUg

    It sure would be nice if there was a person out there in Mists of Avalon land who has been to one of Dr. Greer's workshops on "contact" and would be willing to share about that experience.

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    Post  Pris on Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:41 pm

    Eartheart wrote:Me thinks that unlearning flatuation is a nobel goal,
    meanwhile easy with a diet palable and happy...

    Acid reflux comes from weaponizing people so we
    need to reflex you a bit to get you back to beauty...

    Prob is that we where all a bit freaked out by the groteskness
    of these simpsons and all related vibes of satanic funnnnnnnn...

    Lets shoot them and get over with!!!  santa


    I'm starting to agree with you... Hmmm
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    Post  Pris on Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:21 pm

    bobhardee wrote:study
    Gas:    The release of such.
    scratch
    lol!  Insanely Happy


    Perhaps it time to   Freedom
    A  Cow mooing on....so to speak.
    Musical Sing a Disclosure: From "Suppression to Contact and Interaction" song

    Toast  To Life and all it brings.
    Wish we could all sit and share a beer and a bit to eat.
    It would be fun.

    Thanks

    Bob H.




    As you point out, Bob, this is somewhat lacking...
    It would be so much more fun if we could all get together...  thanks, guys. I love you



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