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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  mudra on Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:52 am

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    We can learn from the rose for it is born with thorns and yet found a way to live with grace in this world.
    In the same way man is born with hands that he can turn into mighty fists against his fellow men
    or soft palms where Heart flows through the fingers and beauty from our touch.

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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  Jenetta on Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:43 pm

    Israel’s ‘Iron Dome’ Business

    August 1, 2014

    By Danny Schechter

    The U.S. Congress is rushing to give Israel another $225 million to replenish its supply of “Iron Dome” anti-missile missiles depleted during its war with Gaza, a boost to Israel’s war effort and a shot in the arm for its arms industry, as Danny Schechter explains.

    When you go to a dictionary to look up dome, you find lots of references to hemispherical structures or forms. You also find that it is slang word for the human head.

    And so, it may not be much of a stretch to look at the “Iron Dome” counter-missile system utilized by the Israeli forces as a perfect metaphor for the men authorizing its deployment and use, the iron domes of the heads who head up Israel’s military, and orchestrate its most assuredly not defensive waragainst Gaza.

    It is also a metaphor for the war itself. The finger pushing reliance on computer technology — whether with domes or drones — tends to block all sensitivity of the human costs and consequences.

    CNN reports that, “Israel uses Iron Dome to block rockets from striking its major population centers. It targets incoming rockets and fires an interceptor missile to destroy them in the air. The Israeli government says Iron Dome has intercepted more than 400 rockets fired from Gaza since the conflict broke out in early July.”

    Newsweek adds that it is not a perfect system, “Israeli and U.S. officials have said Iron Dome systems are responsible for shooting down more than 90 percent of the rockets they have engaged, while ignoring missiles on a trajectory to fall wide. That accounts for about a fifth of the rockets Israel has said militants have fired into the country during the latest crisis.”

    (Interesting about this paragraph is that it does not mention that as an occupying power, Israel has an obligation to protect the people in Gaza. It also does not mention Hamas, a political party/movement, but refers only to “militants,” many of whom are Palestinians who fled Israel, the country now pulverizing Gaza.)

    If true, that means that only a fifth or 20 percent of the missiles fired have been intercepted, a fact that is at variance with the impression Israel fosters about the precision nature of its technology. Also, missing from most of the coverage is the fact that the United States poured nearly a billion dollars into building the project.

    Foreign Policy reported in July before Israel invaded Gaza again: “Iron Dome, the anti-missile system that is seen as so successful at preventing Hamas’ rocket attacks from being effective that it is credited, in part, for having kept Israeli troops from mounting a ground invasion of Gaza, is getting major new funding from Congress. The infusion of cash will radically bolster the program even if can’t guarantee peace in the region – even in the short term.”

    FP’s Kate Brannen: “The additional money for Iron Dome cleared one of its final hurdles Tuesday, when a key Senate appropriations subcommittee unanimously voted to double the Pentagon’s $175 million request for fiscal year 2015. The full committee will consider the defense appropriations bill on Thursday. Meanwhile, three other panels have already signed off on the funding expansion, making it all but certain the additional money will be provided. Iron Dome has received $720 million in American funding since 2011, when the United States became directly involved in the program.”

    Of course, the Dome did not stop Israel’s dome-heads from invading Gaza, but it may be playing another mostly unreported role, argues Samer Jaber, a former Palestinian political prisoner who graduated from Brandeis and studied at Harvard and MIT, speaking on Al Jazeera:

    “Reporting on the Dome has provided near-real time televised war coverage. The media has repeated statistics demonstrating its success rates – although there appears to have been a reluctance to scrutinize official Israeli figures and an absence of voices from those who might question its effectiveness.

    “It is understandable that Israeli officials would want to promote the idea of the Dome’s success. It gives the Israeli public a sense of safety and security. It demonstrates that the state is fulfilling one of its commitments to its citizens – the duty to protect.

    “But it is undeniable that this unquestioning tone helps provide a certain marketing message…Following Operation Pillar of Defense, launched against Gaza in November 2012, seven nations, including the United States and South Korea, expressed interest in buying some variant of the Iron Dome system. As the Israeli economy depends on the sale of weapons and other military equipment, this latest round of war on Gaza is another opportunity for Israel’s weapon consortium to boost its business around the world.”

    One reason for the timing of this Gaza invasion may be that sales of the Dome may soon have lower-cost competition, thanks to hacking, allegedly, by a cyber-war crew from China.

    RT reported: “In addition to taking information on the Iron Dome, the attackers were also able to nab plans regarding other projects – including Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, ballistic rockets, and ‘detailed schematics and specifications’ for the Arrow III missile interceptor.

    “According to independent journalist Brian Krebs, the intrusion occurred between 2011 and 2012 and was carried out by China’s infamous ‘Comment Crew’ – a group of cyber warriors linked to the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA).”

    Chinese hacking is not unique in looking for short cuts to commercial applications. The underlying technology is not all Israeli either, with Boing credited with developing missile targeting.

    The political and military costs have to be factored in as well: Again, Foreign Policy: “Israel is reporting that Iron Dome has had a 90 percent success rate, though it has only been used against 27 percent of the Hamas rockets. Because of the high cost of each interceptor — which the Washington Post pegs at roughly $20,000 a piece — Israel only uses the system when its radars indicate that a rocket seems likely to hit a populated area. The Hamas rockets are thought to cost less than $800 each.”

    Note, how the statistics in all of these articles supplied by the salesmen/generals behind the Dome marketing effort differ from publication to publication.

    It’s also significant that Israeli propagandists seem to now be dropping their focus on the threat of missiles by focusing instead on “Terror Tunnels” as their more visible media talking point. Of course they don’t reference the tunnels in Warsaw that enabled some Jews to escape the Nazis, or the Cu-Chi Tunnels in Vietnam that allowed resistance fighters to hide from the savage bombing of U.S. napalm and Agent Orange and other war crimes.

    Noura Erakat debunks these Israel’s talking points on Gaza in The Nation: “Israel claims that its current and past wars against the Palestinian population in Gaza have been in response to rocket fire. Empirical evidence from 2008, 2012 and 2014 refute that claim.”

    She argues that diplomacy that led to a “lull arrangement” was what stopped missile attacks, as confirmed by a press release of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs at the end of July in 2008:

    “During its first month, the lull arrangement resulted in a significant drop in rocket and mortar fire at Israel. A relative calm has settled over Sderot and Israeli population centers near the Gaza Strip, occasionally broken by rockets and mortar bombs fired by terrorist organizations which oppose the lull (mostly local Fatah networks, with the Palestinian Islamic Jihad violating the lull only on one occasion).”

    Jaber’s final point merits a media investigation as well: “Israel’s intransigent approach to the political issue of the colonization of Palestine – whereby it employs security solutions rather than working towards a political settlement – may in some part be explained by the Iron Dome’s profitability.”

    War has always been about business, just as the constant propaganda use of the Holocaust itself as the subtext is often denigrated as “Shoah business” by critics of Israel’s reliance on fear-mongering as a way of raising money and support while disguising offensive warfare as defensive action.

    Dome-heads in Tel Aviv now have orchestrated their legions of often empty-minded cult-like bi-partisan dome-head supporters in Congress – backed not just by Jewish groups but right-wing evangelical Christians for Israel – who are trying to silence all debate about the massive killing of civilians in Gaza, despite all their rhetoric about curtailing government spending and the sad state of the U.S. economy.

    Their mantra is now built around the Iron Dome show with its underlying arrogance: See how clever we are!

    The media does its bit by blaming the war on the resistance to the war and, then, refusing to investigate and report on massive spending to fund Israel in an atrocity that shows how domed their own consciences are.

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/01/israels-iron-dome-business/

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    Re: Palestine Now

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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  RedEzra on Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:54 am

    Jenetta wrote:Israel’s ‘Iron Dome’ Business

    August 1, 2014

    By Danny Schechter


    (Interesting about this paragraph is that it does not mention that as an occupying power, Israel has an obligation to protect the people in Gaza. It also does not mention Hamas, a political party/movement, but refers only to “militants,” many of whom are Palestinians who fled Israel, the country now pulverizing Gaza.)




    Israel is not occupying anything but the Golan Heights ! which Israel captured from Syria when Syria in 1967 attacked Israel ! Israel offered to give it back to Syria for peace agreements but Syria was not interested in peace.

    The West Bank and Gaza are not the State of Palestine because the Arabs rejected a two state solution back in 1948 and instead attacked Israel when the Jews declared their area designated by UN for the State of Israel.

    The Palestinian Declaration of Independence by the former terror organisation PLO was proclaimed by Yasser Arafat on 15 November 1988. And first on 29 November 2012 the United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19 implicitly recognised Palestinian sovereignty.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

    "in 1994 the PLO established the Palestinian National Authority (PNA or PA) territorial administration, that exercises some governmental functions[iii] in parts of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.[24][25] In 2007, the Hamas takeover of Gaza Strip politically and territorially divided the Palestinians, with Abbas's Fatah left largely ruling the West Bank and recognized internationally as the official Palestinian Authority,[26] while Hamas has secured its control over the Gaza Strip. In April 2011, the Palestinian parties signed an agreement of reconciliation, but its implementation had stalled[26] until a unity government was formed on 2 June 2014."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_resolution_67/19#Israeli

    "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded to the debate, in particular Abbas' speech, in saying: "The world watched a defamatory and venomous speech that was full of mendacious propaganda against the Israel Defense Forces and the citizens of Israel. Someone who wants peace does not talk in such a manner.[5] The way to peace between Jerusalem and Ramallah [sic] is in direct negotiations, without preconditions, and not in one-sided U.N. decisions. By going to the U.N., the Palestinians have violated the agreements with Israel and Israel will act accordingly."[45] Israeli critics[vague] of the resolution, said it enshrined the principle of a Palestinian state based on the pre-1967 borders, a position rejected by the Israeli government, while upholding the Palestinian claim for refugees' right of return."

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    Hamas in Gaza has systematically executed political dissidents and spent a fortune from international humanitarian aid and Arab oil money in building a vast underground city with a network of tunnels into Israel and purchased thousands of rockets and general military equipment for the sole purpose of terror against Israel and its own citizens.

    Are you sure you want to support this ?




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    Re: Palestine Now

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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  RedEzra on Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:31 pm

    Iron Dome an Israeli rocket defense system is pretty efficient in intercepting Hamas rocket bombardments from Gaza but it is far from 100% accurate and so the protocol of alarm and seeking bomb shelter is an ongoing process for the preservation of life... but it is of course not the best solution to the problem of rocket attacks and it is no good against Hamas terror tunnels inside Israel.

    We all know or ought to know what was done to Dresden when Nazi Germany bombarded Britain with V-1 and V-2 rockets. Now the Israelis don't do that thanks to hi tech guided weapon systems besides the Israelis have time and again aborted missions on terrorists because of civilians close by. Do you know that the Israelis drop leaflets warning the population to evacuate before engaging terrorist targets in an area ?

    Nobody wants a deja vu of Dresden but why would Israel sit idly by while being bombarded by rockets ? That is the way or mentality of... perpetual victims ? Some of the civilian death tolls are of course terrorists out of uniform and some casualties of Hamas rocket misfire and some used as hidden human shields to provoke sympathy for the terrorist cause... which is another Jewish holocaust. Besides the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) is not free from criticism and so the Palestinian death statistics are perhaps questionable as well.

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    What is beyond doubt is that this tragic conflict is being abused as a propaganda campaign to sway public opinion towards the terrorist cause... Goebbels would be proud !




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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  Jenetta on Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:04 am

    You don't have to worry about Goebbels...RedEzra. You have Zionist Nazis in your midst. Netanyahu and Benny Gantz. These two enjoy collaborating with Turkey and Quatar Zionist Arabs.

    August 1st,2014

    Israel war on Gaza reminiscent of Nakba: Activist

    Press TVhas conducted an interview with Joe Catron, with the International Solidarity Movement from Gaza, about the ongoing Israeli onslaught on the besieged Gaza Strip.

    What follows is an approximate transcription of the interview.

    Press TV: As you heard our correspondent say there are reports of Israeli attacks not just in Rafah but also in the Gaza City in Shujaiya. Now we are getting this breaking news of Israeli snipers firing at people in the al-Shaaf neighborhood of the Gaza City. What do you make of this, so much for a ceasefire?

    Catron: Yes, well I can say it is terribly surprising, some of the worst atrocities that we have witnessed during the current offensive such as Israel’s massacre of 17 people in the Shujaiya markets occurred during supposed humanitarian ceasefires.

    It seems that historically Israel has used these ceasefires as an opportunity to re-group and re-position its forces before another attack and sometimes they cannot even wait till the end of them for that.

    Press TV: So the world hopes that indirect talks between Israel and Hamas and Egypt are going to even build upon the ceasefire, we are going to see a more comprehensive long-term truce, but that is out of the question now do you think?

    Catron: It is very difficult to say. I cannot really make projections about what is going to happen as a result of these negotiations. Even a few hours ago I would have said it is very hard to see the two parties reaching an agreement that would be acceptable to both.

    We know that Palestinians have demanded among other things an end to the siege which is something that the Israelis have said they will not consider.

    So what possible agreement the United Nations and I suppose the United States might be able to broker that would be acceptable to both, it will be interesting to see what they come up with, if anything.

    Press TV: Mr. Catron, you are on the ground in Gaza. Israel continues to say that its targeting is that of precision targeting, it does not target civilian population unless forced to do so because there are tunnels there or Hamas uses the people in the Gaza Strip as human shields to launch attacks upon the Israelis. What is your view on that?

    Catron: Well we have heard many of these human shield allegations. All of them that have been investigated have been found baseless.

    I think Israel’s primary strategy during this offensive has been to render large areas of the Gaza Strip uninhabitable by Palestinians. It has been very reminiscent of the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948.They have ordered the evacuation of neighborhoods and then shells the buildings, shooting anyone who remained in the process. Vast portions of the Gaza Strip have now been tuned into rubble. Rebuilding will take years and cost billions of dollars and I think this was the design. It is certainly the clearest effect other than of course the casualties.

    Press TV: Mr. Catron, speaking of which, do you think that as many have pointed out before here on Press TV as well that the goal is not removing tunnels, it is not about Hamas and it is definitely not about the people. It is a land grab basically on the part of Israel and if that means committing genocide in the Gaza Strip, then so it’d be?

    Catron: Yes I think that is correct, it is a land grab. Israel is seeking to extend its territorial control over the Gaza Strip if not by holding onto portions of it going forward, at least making it so that these parts, the eastern areas along the separation barrier like Shujaiya, Gaza and Beit Hanoun in the north will not be used in the way they have been for a number of years.

    They are pushing Palestinians further in towards the sea and further south increasing what they have called the buffer zone along the separation barrier - the area that has historically been prohibiting the Palestinians by Israel and in which any who had ventured have been shot.

    The new buffer zone may not be reinforced by the same kind of gunfire but there will simply be nothing there for the time being.

    Press TV: Mr. Catron, earlier we heard the General Commissioner of the UNRWA speaking to the UN Security Council live from the Gaza Strip and he said that Gaza right now is at a precipice. The situation there looking extremely dire, the humanitarian condition of course, it is a catastrophe especially he outlined how even diseases are beginning to break out within refugee shelters that the UN is providing.

    How much longer is the world going to wait until some sort of concrete action is taken? The dead toll is mounting and in an alarming rate?

    Catron: Well I think we have seen the beginnings of some kind of concrete action, they certainly are not sufficient but they are perhaps promising.

    In recent days we have seen some bodies forced into action who even as recently as 2012 we simply would not have heard from. We have heard fairly strong denunciations of Israel’s actions ... from not only UNRWA but also the United Nations itself, Secretary General Ban Ki-moon as well as the White House. They have called Israel’s shelling of a UN school where internally displaced Palestinians have taken shelter completely intolerable.

    And this is something that is pretty new. It is something that we would not have heard of a few years ago. Of course this is far from where we would like it to be. There is still a great deal of work to be done but it is clear that a lot of pressure is being applied globally in support of the Palestinian people and it is beginning to have an effect.

    Yes, we are seeing actions being taken and statements being made as well as other more concrete steps I think probably behind the scenes as a result primarily of Israel’s massive crimes here but also of global solidarity with the Palestinian people. We are also reaching something of a threshold.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/01/373642/israel-war-on-gaza-reminds-of-nakba/

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    Re: Palestine Now

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    Post  RedEzra on Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:13 am

    Jenetta wrote:You have Zionist Nazis in your midst.  Netanyahu and Benny Gantz.  These two enjoy collaborating with Turkey and Quatar Zionist Arabs.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/01/373642/israel-war-on-gaza-reminds-of-nakba/


    Why post an article from the Iranian press ? Iran is the nation with nothing but incessant inflammatory statements against Israel !

    Surely you can't expect any unbiased opinions from them ? Iran got only one goal and that is another Jewish holocaust. They are quite happy to blow themselves up as long as Israel goes down with them.



    Zionism was and is a Jewish movement for the Jewish state in Israel. Nazism got nothing to do with Zionism in fact Nazis put Zionists in concentration camps and burnt them up. Gantz mother is a holocaust survivor.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Qatar_relations

    "Israeli leaders harshly criticized Qatar's diplomatic and financial support of Hamas in the wake of Operation Protective Edge, accusing the Qataris of being major sponsors of terrorism.[10] Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called for the banishment of Qatar-based Al Jazeera journalists from Israel.[11]"


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Turkey_relations

    "Relations between Israel and Turkey took a downturn during the term of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan as Turkish Prime Minister. Though Erdoğan had paid an official visit to Israel in 2005 and initially had maintained business-as-usual relations, his strong anti-Israeli rhetoric is considered to have symbolized an intentional shift of Turkish interests in the Middle East and realignment from secular Israeli-oriented to Islamist pro-Arab stance of Turkish Republic. Most notably, the relations deteriorated after the 2008–09 Gaza War and the 2010 Gaza flotilla raid. In March 2013, Israel apologized for the raid, opening path for normalized relations.[7][8] However, despite US-mediation, no progress has been achieved in reconciliation through 2013. With the scandal over alleged Turkish involvement in exposure of special agents of Israel in Iran in October 2013, the relations between Israel and Turkey have hit a new low.[9]"


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    And why does Burgundia post utube clips from PressResetEarth ? Is it not obvious that the guy is not unbiased but got an anti Israeli agenda ?

    How can PressResetEarth blow up a blog post in an Israeli paper which was later removed and argue that the views of one Israeli is the view of the entire Jewish people ?

    PressResetEarth also goes on and on about Ashkenazi Jews are Khazarian converts... but that is not true ! It is refuted !


    Careful who you look to for information and at least have the decency to do due diligence and check facts before you post !
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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  burgundia on Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:15 pm

    Red Ezra...most people know the Zionist (or Jewish if you want) agenda. Your arguments here sound rather funny.Besides, I spoke with a jew from poland who served in the israeli army for 10 years. he said that it is the most racist country in the world as there are" better" and" worse" jews there too.
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    Post  RedEzra on Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:56 pm

    Of course there are good and bad apples in every national basket. And what is the Zionist (or Jewish if I want) agenda exactly... survival ?

    Do not forget that 20% of the Israelis are Arabs and equal to Jews in every aspect according to Israeli law !
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    Post  Jenetta on Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:26 pm

    RedEzra wrote:Of course there are good and bad apples in every national basket. And what is the Zionist (or Jewish if I want) agenda exactly... survival ?

    Do not forget that 20% of the Israelis are Arabs and equal to Jews in every aspect according to Israeli law !



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    Post  RedEzra on Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:21 am

    Jenetta wrote:
    Arabs are not equal to Jews in every aspect if they are expected to carry a blue I.D. card in East Jerusalem.


    Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews in other words citizens of Israel carry a compulsory identity document as prescribed in the Identity Card Carrying and Displaying Act of 1982.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_identity_card#ID_card_casing_and_variations

    "The colour of the plastic casing of the Identity card of Israeli citizens and permanent residents is blue, with the Israeli Coat of Arms embossed on the outer cover."
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:45 am

    One thing I have never understood about the Middle-East is that they have been fighting over small-portions of Desert Real-Estate for thousands of years!! In antiquity -- why didn't God simply relocate God's Chosen People to the most lush and beautiful real-estate on the planet -- possibly having a whole continent to themselves -- without having to fight the Idolaters and Giants??!! Then, God could've done the 'Sodom and Gomorrah Routine' on all of the Blasphemers throughout the world!! Actually, why wasn't this sort of thing done -- instead of inflicting the Flood of Noah -- which destroyed what was supposedly a very beautiful world (rendering it horribly scarred and desolate)??!! BTW -- how does one ask such questions without sounding like an Infidel??
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    Post  RedEzra on Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:28 am

    Land is valuable no matter what and especially in respect to ethnicity. One people on one land and so forth.


    God flooded the world because fallen angels corrupted creation and after the flood the freaks of nature namely the Nephilim or Giants began to multiply again so God used the Israelites to destroy them.

    "Yet it was I who destroyed the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was as strong as the oaks; Yet I destroyed his fruit above and his roots beneath." - Amos 2:9


    Sodom and Gomorrah was a warning not to descend into debauchery for the rest of the old world.
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    Post  Jenetta on Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:52 pm

    Yes Ortho I think the Zionist Jews need a whole continent to themselves and RedEzra your last posting on this thread says it all about yourself.  You would be happy if no other cultures and peoples existed on this planet Earth except your kind.
    Your ethics and morals do not live up to the avatar on your postings.

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    Post  burgundia on Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:33 pm

    Jenetta wrote:Yes Ortho I think the Zionist Jews need a whole continent to themselves and RedEzra your last posting on this thread says it all about yourself.  You would be happy if no other cultures and peoples existed on this planet Earth except your kind.
    Your ethics and morals do not live up to the avatar on your postings.

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    Post  RedEzra on Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:34 pm

    Jenetta wrote:Yes Ortho I think the Zionist Jews need a whole continent to themselves and RedEzra your last posting on this thread says it all about yourself.  You would be happy if no other cultures and peoples existed on this planet Earth except your kind.
    Your ethics and morals do not live up to the avatar on your postings.


    The Jews are content with their ancestral land the seize of Haiti and if not for God the extremist Arabs would have finished what Nazi Germany began ! Well they are still trying...

    It is of course a miracle that the Arabs did not defeat the Jews in 1948 -67 and -73 !


    When it comes to the Nephilim or Giants then they were not exactly human ! But giant freaks of nature the seize of cedar trees ! Only reptiles keep growing like that !
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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:20 pm

    What if there was an Ancient Earth Reptilian Civilization which got invaded by an Orion Reptilian Asteroid Fleet (which won) -- and genetically-engineered the Human Being (who were the Real Ancient Hebrews)?? Then -- what if this Insurrection was to be put-down by another Orion Reptilian Fleet -- but they liked what they saw in the Human Women -- and decided to fight with BOTH Their Headquarters AND the Human Men!!?? What if Earth turned into an Orion Viet-Nam??!! What if the current determination is that the War Will Be Ended in a Harsh and Decisive Manner -- regardless of the pleas of Compassionate Bleeding-Hearts (such as myself)??!! But what if I somehow got taken advantage of in antiquity (by the Ancient Egyptian Deity??) -- and what if I am presently being taken advantage of by those whom I seek to save??!! Damned if I Know -- but sometimes it really makes me wonder.
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    The head of UNICEF said yesterday, that 392 children had been killed in the conflict between Israel and Hamas, and that about 370,000 children had been traumatised.

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    Post  Jenetta on Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:28 am

    RedEzra wrote:
    Jenetta wrote:Yes Ortho I think the Zionist Jews need a whole continent to themselves and RedEzra your last posting on this thread says it all about yourself.  You would be happy if no other cultures and peoples existed on this planet Earth except your kind.
    Your ethics and morals do not live up to the avatar on your postings.


    (RedEzra)The Jews are content with their ancestral land the seize of Haiti and if not for God the extremist Arabs would have finished what Nazi Germany began ! Well they are still trying...

    It is of course a miracle that the Arabs did not defeat the Jews in 1948 -67 and -73 !
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    Yeh its a real miracle alright especially since the Jews did a complete "ethnic cleansing" of Jaffa in 1948 as punishment...right up your alley eh RedEzra? As for God he/she probably objects to being used as an excuse to punish the Palestinians.

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    Post  RedEzra on Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:02 pm

    Jenetta wrote:
    Yeh its a real miracle alright especially since the Jews did a complete "ethnic cleansing" of Jaffa in 1948 as punishment...right up your alley eh RedEzra?  As for God he/she probably objects to being used as an excuse to punish the Palestinians.


    On 29 November 1947 the U.N. General Assembly adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine as Resolution 181(II).

    And since the Arabs did not accept a two state solution there broke out violence and civil war between the Arabs and the Jews escalating with an all out Arab attack on the 1 day old State of Israel on 15 May 1948.

    Today one third of the poulation in Jaffa are Arabs and it is true that most Arabs left Jaffa in April 1948 during the civil war. By that time the horrors of the Holocaust forced the Jewish spirit to focus on survival. And so the Jews mortar bombed Jaffa and most Arabs fled.

    20% of the Israelis are Arabs and after the 1948 war about a million Jews were forced out of Arab nations. After the war Jordan got the West Bank but lost it after another all out Arab attack in 1967.

    And according to the rule "three times and you're out" the Arabs lost again in 1973 and so ought to subsume the Arab population in the West Bank and end this conflict.


    Ultimately the world under the UN do not want a safe and secure State of Israel as the world do not want God nor anything that reminds them of Him !
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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  burgundia on Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:52 pm

    http://www.activistpost.com/2014/08/why-arent-isis-and-al-qaeda-attacking.html#!bxOJgc

    With the recent slaughter of Palestinians taking place on television screens across the world, only the grossly misinformed would believe that Israel’s Palestinian extermination program is actually “self-defense.”

    Yet for all of Israel’s whining about how it is being targeted by “Islamic extremists” and “terrorists,”(which should be translated to mean Palestinians, Iran, or any other secular or nationalist Arab government in the region) there is a curious and deafening silence when it is confronted with actual terrorists and Muslim fanatics such as ISIS, al-Nusra, and the myriad of other fundamentalist groups waging jihad in Syria and Iraq.

    This bizarre silence has yet to raise the eyebrows of the somnambulant general public.

    Of course, Israel’s lack of concern regarding legitimate terrorist groups is not bizarre at all when one understands the perspective and goals held by the settler state toward its neighbors in the region or its connections to the very groups who espouse Israel as their number one enemy.

    But while Israel does not respond with its usual apoplectic frothing of victimhood and danger regarding these terrorist groups that have now so infested the Middle East as to make the entire region a general war zone, it is important to point out that these same terrorist groups do not launch coordinated military attacks in Tel Aviv, they launch them in Damascus and Mosul – cities belonging to secular nations seen by Israel as the enemy.

    The question then is “Why?” Why does Israel not share the concern it has over Palestinians, Iranians, Syrians, and Lebanese with al-Nusra, ISIS, and al-Qaeda? Why do these groups wage jihad against Israel’s enemies but not against Israel itself?
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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  RedEzra on Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:51 pm

    burgundia wrote:http://www.activistpost.com/2014/08/why-arent-isis-and-al-qaeda-attacking.html#!bxOJgc

    The question then is “Why?” Why does Israel not share the concern it has over Palestinians, Iranians, Syrians, and Lebanese with al-Nusra, ISIS, and al-Qaeda? Why do these groups wage jihad against Israel’s enemies but not against Israel itself?


    After Nato helped Al-Qaeda to defeat Gaddafi in Libya then Al-Qaeda and weapons were transported to Turkey to fight Assad in Syria. Also in Iraq Al-Qaeda got hi tech weapons when the US left and so Israel is probably scratching heads wondering what the US is up to backing an extremist Sunni organization like Al-Qaeda.


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