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    Post  RedEzra on Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:10 pm

    The Jews agreed to the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine so the Arabs attacked them in 1948. And Jordan got the West Bank. Then the Arabs attacked the Jews again in 1967 and Jordan lost the West Bank and Syria lost Golan. The Jews offered to give Golan back for peace agreements but Syria was not interested in peace. Then the Arabs attacked again in 1973 and lost of course. Then the Arabs began to form terror organizations and provide them with rockets to shell the Jews from Lebanon and Gaza. And what about Arab suicidals who think it is something holy to specifically blow up Jews and infidels in general ?

    All blame on Arab leadership and their Luciferian masters in Europe !
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    Post  burgundia on Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:19 am

    Information provide by wiki is questionable.
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    Post  mudra on Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:57 am

    AN INTRODUCTION TO THE HISTORY OF KHAZARIA
    by Kevin Alan Brook


    [quote="The history of Khazaria presents us with a fascinating example of how Jewish life flourished in the Middle Ages. In a time when Jews were persecuted thruout Christian Europe, the kingdom of Khazaria was a beacon of hope. Jews were able to flourish in Khazaria because of the tolerance of the Khazar rulers, who invited Byzantine and Persian Jewish refugees to settle in their country. Due to the influence of these refugees, the Khazars found the Jewish religion to be appealing and adopted Judaism in large numbers. "]

    The Khazars' dual-monarchy was a Turkic system under which the kagan was the supreme king and the bek was the civilian army leader. The kagans were part of the Turkic Asena ruling family that had provided kagans for other Central Asian nations in the early medieval period. The Khazar kagans had relations with the rulers of the Byzantines, Abkhazians, Hungarians, and Armenians. To some extent, the Khazarian kings influenced the religion of the Khazar people, but they tolerated those who had different religions than their own, so that even when these kings adopted Judaism they still let Greek Christians, pagan Slavs, and Muslim Iranians live in their domains. In the capital city, the Khazars established a supreme court composed of 7 members, and every religion was represented on this judicial panel (according to one contemporary Arab chronicle, the Khazars were judged according to the Torah, while the other tribes were judged according to other laws). Ancient communities of Jews existed in the Crimean Peninsula, a fact proven by much archaeological evidence. It is significant that the Crimea came under the control of the Khazars. The Crimean Jewish communities were later supplemented by refugee Jews fleeing the Mazdaq rebellion in Persia, the persecutions of Byzantine emperors Leo III and Romanus I Lecapenus, and for a variety of other reasons. Jews came to Khazaria from modern-day Uzbekistan, Armenia, Hungary, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, and many other places, as documented by al-Masudi, the Schechter Letter, Saadiah Gaon, and other accounts. The Arabic writer Dimashqi wrote that these refugee Jews offered their religion to the Khazar Turks and that the Khazars "found it better than their own and accepted it". The Jewish Radhanite traders may have also influenced the conversion. Adopting Judaism was perhaps also a symbol of political independence for Khazaria, holding the balance of power between Muslim Caliphate and the Christian Byzantine Empire. wrote:

    Under the leadership of kings Bulan and Obadiah, the standard rabbinical form of the Jewish religion spread among the Khazars. King Bulan adopted Judaism in approximately the year 838, after supposedly holding a debate between representatives of the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim faiths. The Khazar nobility and many of the common people also became Jews. King Obadiah later established synagogues and Jewish schools in Khazaria. The books of the Mishnah, Talmud, and Torah thus became important to many Khazars. Saint Cyril came to Khazaria in 860 in a Byzantine attempt to convert the Khazars to Christianity, but he was unsuccessful in converting them away from Judaism. He did, however, convince many of the Slavs to adopt Christianity. By the 10th century, the Khazars wrote using Hebrew letters. The major Khazar Jewish documents from that period were written in the Hebrew language. The Ukrainian professor Omeljan Pritsak estimated that there were as many as 30,000 Jews in Khazaria by the 10th century. In 2002, the Swedish numismatist Gert Rispling discovered a Khazar Jewish coin. wrote:

    source:  Arrow http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html

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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  burgundia on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:32 am

    mudra wrote:AN INTRODUCTION TO THE HISTORY OF KHAZARIA
    by Kevin Alan Brook


    The history of Khazaria presents us with a fascinating example of how Jewish life flourished in the Middle Ages. In a time when Jews were persecuted thruout Christian Europe, the kingdom of Khazaria was a beacon of hope. Jews were able to flourish in Khazaria because of the tolerance of the Khazar rulers, who invited Byzantine and Persian Jewish refugees to settle in their country. Due to the influence of these refugees, the Khazars found the Jewish religion to be appealing and adopted Judaism in large numbers. wrote:





    source:  Arrow http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html

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    This is very interesting. It looks like many words existing the modern Polish language come from the language spoken by Khazars. The word "kagan", previously "kohan" (meaning "dear" is commonly used in Polish).

    " In addition, some Khazar words became part of the old East Slavic language: for example, bogatyr ("brave knight") apparently derives from the Khazar word baghatur."

    In Polish "bohater" means "hero".
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    Post  mudra on Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:24 am

    burgundia wrote:
    This is very interesting. It looks like many words existing the modern Polish language come from the language spoken by Khazars. The word "kagan", previously "kohan" (meaning "dear" is commonly used in Polish).

    " In addition, some Khazar words became part of the old East Slavic language: for example, bogatyr ("brave knight") apparently derives from the Khazar word baghatur."

    In Polish "bohater" means "hero".

    Dr. Itzhak Schipper believes that diffusion of Jewish Khazarian elements into the Polish kingdom appeared only after the Khazarian kingdom fell. A lot of documents and different town-names attest to the early Jewish immigration to Poland.... At the same time there was another Jewish immigration and colonization from the west, from Germany. Lots of antagonism existed between the eastern and western Jewish immigrants because there were different types of city-buildings.... Polish land was covered mostly with forests, especially in the North and West with wetlands and quagmire, so there was little population. The Khazar people, usually peasants, used primitive tools and were people with less culture. There was antagonism with the more advanced German Jews."      

    - Emmanuel Ringelblum, in Żydzi w Polsce Odrodzonej, edited by Aryeh Hafftka, Itzhak Schipper, and Aleksander Tartakower (Warsaw, 1936), page 38. "

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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  RedEzra on Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:50 am

    burgundia wrote:Information provide by wiki is questionable.

    All information is questionable but wiki is the best place to start as it got source links that back up the information. Not every alternative idea or opinion is correct.


    Here is a wiki link to read up on the history and genetic research of this Ashkenazi Jews are Khazarian idea.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_theory_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry
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    Post  RedEzra on Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:09 pm

    Britain won World War I and got former southern Ottoman Syria from the Turks. This they divided into Palestine west of the Jordan river and Transjordan east of the Jordan river.


    Here is an interim report on the civil administration of Palestine dated 30 July 1921 from Britain's first High Commissioner of Palestine Herbert Louis Samuel 1st Viscount Samuel.


    http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/349B02280A930813052565E90048ED1C

    "........It is obvious to every passing traveller, and well-known to every European resident, that the country was before the War, and is now, undeveloped and under-populated. The methods of agriculture are, for the most part, primitive; the area of land now cultivated could yield a far greater product. There are in addition large cultivable areas that are left untilled. The summits and slopes of the hills are admirably suited to the growth of trees, but there are no forests. Miles of sand dunes that could be redeemed, are untouched, a danger, by their encroachment, to the neighbouring tillage. The Jordan and the Yarmuk offer an abundance of water-power; but it is unused. Some industries--fishing and the culture and manufacture of tobacco are examples--have been killed by Turkish laws; none have been encouraged; the markets of Palestine and of the neighbouring countries are supplied almost wholly from Europe. The seaborne commerce, such as it is, is loaded and discharged in the open roadsteads of Jaffa and Haifa: there are no harbours. The religious and historical associations that offer most powerful attractions to the whole of the Western, and to a large part of the Eastern world, have hitherto brought to Palestine but a fraction of the pilgrims and travellers, who, under better conditions, would flock to her sacred shrines and famous sites.

    The country is under-populated because of this lack of development. There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

    The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. Jewish agricultural colonies were founded. They developed the culture of oranges and gave importance to the Jaffa orange trade. They cultivated the vine, and manufactured and exported wine. They drained swamps. They planted eucalyptus trees. They practised, with modern methods, all the processes of agriculture. There are at the present time 64 of these settlements, large and small, with a population of some 15,000. Every traveller in Palestine who visits them is impressed by the contrast between these pleasant villages, with the beautiful stretches of prosperous cultivation about them and the primitive conditions of life and work by which they are surrounded.

    The success of these agricultural colonies attracted the eager interest of the masses of the Jewish people scattered throughout the world. In many countries they were living under the pressure of laws or customs which cramped their capacities and thwarted their energies; they saw in Palestine the prospect of a home in which they might live at ease. Profoundly discontented, as numbers of them were, with a life of petty trade in crowded cities, they listened with ready ears to the call of a healthier and finer life as producers on the land. Some among them, agriculturists already, saw in Palestine the prospect of a soil not less fertile, and an environment far more free, than those to which they were accustomed. Everywhere great numbers of Jews, whose religion causes them to live, spiritually, largely in the past, began to take an active interest in those passages of their ritual, that dwelt, with constant emphasis, upon the connection of their race with Palestine; passages which they had hitherto read day by day and week by week, with the lax attention that is given to contingency that is possible but remote. Among a great proportion, at least, of the fourteen millions of Jews, who are dispersed in all the countries of the globe, the Zionist idea took hold. They found in it that larger and higher interest, outside and beyond the cares and concerns of daily life, which every man, who is not wholly materialist, must seek somewhere.

    Societies were formed which purchased areas of land in Palestine for further Jewish colonization. The Hebrew language, which, except for purposes of ritual, had been dead for many centuries, was revived as a vernacular. A new vocabulary, to meet the needs of modern life, was welded into it. Hebrew is now the language spoken by almost all the younger generation of the Jews of Palestine and by a large proportion of their elders. The Jewish newspapers are published in it. It is the language of instruction in the schools and colleges, the language used for sermons in the synagogues, for political speeches and for scientific lectures.

    Large sums of money were collected in Europe and America, and spent in Palestine, for forwarding the movement. Many looked forward to a steady process of Jewish immigration, of Jewish land colonization and industrial development, until at last the Jews throughout the world would be able to see one country in which their race had a political and a spiritual home, in which, perhaps, the Jewish genius might repeat the services it had rendered to mankind from the same soil long ago.

    The British Government was impressed by the reality, the strength and the idealism of this movement. It recognised its value in ensuring the future development of Palestine, which now appears likely to come within the British sphere of influence. It decided to give to the Zionist idea, within certain limits, its approval and support. By the hand of Mr. Balfour, then Foreign Secretary, it made, in November, 1917, the following Declaration:

           "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a National Home for the Jewish People, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish Communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other Country."


    This pronouncement was received with the warmest gratitude and enthusiasm by the mass of the Jewish people throughout the world. After the occupation of Palestine, a Zionist Commission was sent there, with the approval of the Government, to concert measures for carrying into effect the policy of the Declaration.

    Meanwhile, however, a section of native opinion in Palestine was becoming disturbed as to the meaning of British policy. Welcoming release from Turkish misgovernment, anxious to accept the benefit of British assistance in securing an efficient administration, it was uneasy as to the implications of the Balfour Declaration. To instal the Jews in Palestine might mean the expulsion of the Arabs. If there were an unlimited Jewish immigration and finally a Jewish majority in the population, how could the safeguards embodied in the second half of the Declaration be enforced? The ownership by the Arabs of their lands and homes would be imperilled. The Moslem Holy Places, and particularly the Haram-esh-Sherif on Mount Moriah, might be taken from them. Quotations from the speeches and writings of Zionist leaders, which were said to justify these forebodings, were translated into Arabic and circulated by the press among the people. An organization was formed, with branches in many parts of the country, to combat the application of the Zionist policy. Individuals or groups, in Palestine or elsewhere, who had some interest in causing embarrassment to the Administration, stimulated the agitation. The wildest stories as to the intentions of the Jews and the fate awaiting the Arabs were circulated in the towns and villages, and were often believed by a credulous people. Among a section of the Arabs, who had all previously lived on excellent terms with the Jewish population, a bitter feeling was evoked against the Jews. It was fostered and developed until it culminated in a serious outbreak in the streets of Jerusalem in April, 1920, when a number of Jews were killed and wounded and Jewish shops were looted......."

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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  mudra on Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:25 pm



    This should not be seen as a war between the love of Power against the power of Love
    but rather a necessary quantum leap for everyone to make  
    unabling a possibility to pave the way to a higher understanding of what our core nature is  
    and bringing  it from the darkest corners of oblivion it fell into back into full presence.

    The whole world may not change in the blink of an eye .
    But once Love frees itself from it's chains
    Once core nature is restored
    Prepare for miracles.
    For every spark of life is a gift.

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    Post  Jenetta on Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:03 pm

    RedEzra wrote:The Ottoman Empire had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century. And in 1867 Mark Twain visited what is today known as Israel and described a desolate country devoid of both vegetation and human population.


    http://zionismandisrael.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/mark-twain-in-the-holy-land/

    "... A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds... a silent mournful expanse... a desolation... we never saw a human being on the whole route... hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

    "A fast walker could go outside the walls of Jerusalem and walk entirely around the city in an hour. I do not know how else to make one understand how small it is."


    During WWI british intelligence officer T. E. Lawrence encouraged an Arab revolt and capture of Ottoman Turks land in the Levant. And so the Arabs flooded what was a wilderness and a British census of 1918 estimated 700,000 Arabs and 56,000 Jews in the area.

    After WWI Britain France and Russia were awarded with a League of Nations mandate to administer former Ottoman territories. Britain got the British Mandate for Palestine - Palestine west of the Jordan River was under direct British administration until 1948 and Transjordan east of the Jordan River was a semi autonomous region under the rule of the Hashemite family from the Hijaz until 1946.

    So why do Arabs in the area call themselves Palestinians after 1920 just because the League of Nations chose that particular name from former Ottoman land ? Well then the Jews can call themselves Palestinians as well !

    Besides the Arabs got Jordan Syria Lebanon Iraq and when the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was to follow the termination of the British Mandate for Palestine on 15 May 1948 then the Arabs united and went to war against the few Jews. And Jordan got the West Bank which they lost when the Arabs attacked Israel again in 1967.

    Now there are over a million Arab citizens in Israel who are also under almost constant rocket fire from Arab terrorist organisations terrorizing Israel.

    It is tragic that innocent civilians are hurt in this ongoing conflict but there is no solution to this problem as long as radical Arabs in power want all the Jewish area from the river to the sea.

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    What a "pile of bullshit" especially when it comes from the "the horses' mouth" Zionist man himself!
    Yes Semitic Jews can call themselves Palestinians as well as Arab Palestinians however Ashkenazi (Khazarian) so called Jews (Zionists) can never call themselves Palestinians! They are rogue monsters sitting on occupied land they stole from the Palestinians!
    Nothing can excuse the actions of the Zionists Netanyahu and his military henchman Benny Gantz! They are "pure evil" in their atrocities against women, children and men in Gaza.
    If you wish to spout Zionist B.S. Red Ezra please take your opinions elsewhere off my thread!

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    Post  RedEzra on Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:35 am

    Jenetta wrote:
    Yes Semitic Jews can call themselves Palestinians as well as Arab Palestinians however Ashkenazi (Khazarian) so called Jews (Zionists) can never call themselves Palestinians!

    Ashkenazi Jews which is Hebrew for German Jews are not Khazarian converts !

    Europe got a problem with Jews and not so long ago Europe tried to solve it by rounding them up like cattle in concentration camps. Then the Arabs tried to get rid of them three times no less. And Israel has been under on off rocket fire ever since.

    The Jews will not excuse themselves for defending their lives. They will not go down with a whimper but a bang !

    Jenetta wrote:
    Nothing can excuse the actions of the Zionists Netanyahu and his military henchman Benny Gantz!  They are "pure evil" in their atrocities against women, children and men in Gaza.

    Hamas who is in control of Gaza has been using international aid to build a network of terror tunnels and buying state of the art rockets which they have been bombarding Israel with.

    This could of course not continue and Israel went in to solve the problem !



    The main problem is the terror tunnels dug into Israel. Imagine if you will terrorists coming out of holes in the ground in your own backyard !


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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  mudra on Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:08 am

    We Refuse to be Enemies

    Wednesday, 30th July 2014


    In the middle of the Palestinian/Israeli war, a vision camp was set up by Sabine Lichtenfels, the co-founder of Tamera, in the West Bank, with 50 participants from Palestine, Israel and other counties trying to build a frequency of trust and calmness to share and find the vision for peace. This is their common statement to the current situation.



    As peaceworkers from Israel, Palestine and various other parts of the world, we have been holding a peace vigil in the middle of a war in the West Bank over the last several days. We are gathering here under very simple conditions, creating community life, sharing from our hearts, in silence and in tears, in the midst of shootings and bombings. We are bearing witness and trying to stay in Grace. We have been faced with this senseless killing every day.

    There have been more than 1,000 human victims during the last three weeks.

    In the last days three Palestinians were shot in the village near the place where we are staying. In these days, we have been faced with untold pain, suffering, desperation and speechlessness; we are also coming face to face with many different opinions and inner and outer struggles.

    What we all agree on is: Enough! Stop this killing. No solution can come from war! Each innocent victim of this war is one too many! We refuse to be enemies. We are calling out to all parties: Stop this war! Our feelings are beyond words, but we can no longer be silent. The civil population is being lied to on both sides, and the world is mostly silent and misled by the media. It does not take much political education to recognise the injustice of this war. Many countries are delivering weapons and enriching themselves through the war. But who sits next to the beds of the injured children and crying mothers? Who feels empathy with their bleak destiny? Who heals the wounds, dries the tears and eases the pain of all those who have lost family members or beloved friends?

    We, as members of humanity during this vision camp in the midst of the war zone, are striving to convert trust, peace, justice and compassion into realities rather than mere words. This makes us feel like new children from a new earth where war does not exist.

    One of our Palestinian participants said, "In 2001, I decided to stop being a victim. We are not two sides; we are one side. We have one common enemy: hatred." How many more innocent people have to be killed, how many more generations will have to carry guns so their people can feel safe? Are we aware that every killing creates new hatred, new fear and more revenge?

    We have decided not to stay silent! We have decided to step out of powerlessness. We have decided to step out of the hypnosis of fear and raise our voices. We have decided to step out of our personal identification and look beyond all the different worldviews towards the fundamental healing of trauma. Compassion is not a question of worldview! Compassion is the emergency call of planet earth and the heart of humanity.

    Together, we wish to create a clear and resonant voice, a voice for transformation! Killing cannot lead us to a free or protected land. We are shedding our tears and transforming our pain into a powerful NO! NO to this killing - no tolerance for the violation of human rights, regardless of its source. Israelis will never feel safe, and Palestinians will never be free, unless they begin building mutual relationships of trust and respect. And this land will never be holy while we keep watering it with blood.

    Thousands of people are already taking to the streets and demonstrating that they, "refuse to be enemies." May we grow in numbers and presence! The global system of domination thrives through our powerlessness. We can change this feeling of desperation and powerlessness into readiness for transformation. A true nonviolent revolution starts within ourselves.

    We envision breaking the cycle of victimisation, occupation, hatred and revenge. We envision the awakening of the humane heart. We envision millions of people, all over the world, who no longer allow the economically motivated globalisation of war to be carried out on the backs of uncounted innocent women, men and children.

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    Re: Palestine Now

    Post  mudra on Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:43 pm

    9 questions about the Israel-Palestine conflict you were too embarrassed to ask


    Everyone has heard of the Israel-Palestine conflict. Everyone knows it's bad, that it's been going on for a long time, and that there is a lot of hatred on both sides.

    But you may find yourself less clear on the hows and the whys of the conflict. Why, for example, did Israel begin invading the Palestinian territory of Gaza on Thursday, after 10 days of air strikes that killed at least 235 Palestinians, many of them civilians? Why is the militant Palestinian group Hamas firing rockets into civilian neighborhoods in Israel? How did this latest round of violence start in the first place — and why do they hate one another at all?

    What follows are the most basic answers to your most basic questions. Giant, neon-lit disclaimer: these issues are complicated and contentious, and this is not an exhaustive or definitive account of Israel-Palestine's history or the conflict today. But it's a place to start.

    1) What are Israel and Palestine?



    That sounds like a very basic question but, in a sense, it's at the center of the conflict.

    Israel is an officially Jewish country located in the Middle East. Palestine is a set of two physically separate, ethnically Arab and mostly Muslim territories alongside Israel: the West Bank, named for the western shore of the Jordan River, and Gaza. Those territories are not independent (more on this later). All together, Israel and the Palestinian territories are about as populous as Illinois and about half its size.

    Officially, there is no internationally recognized line between Israel and Palestine; the borders are considered to be disputed, and have been for decades. So is the status of Palestine: some countries consider Palestine to be an independent state, while others (like the US) consider Palestine to be territories under Israeli occupation. Both Israelis and Palestinians have claims to the land going back centuries, but the present-day states are relatively new.

    2) Why are Israelis and Palestinians fighting?

    Israeli soldiers clash with Palestinian stone throwers at a checkpoint outside Jerusalem (AHMAD GHARABLI/AFP/Getty Images)

    This is not, despite what you may have heard, primarily about religion. On the surface at least, it's very simple: the conflict is over who gets what land and how it is controlled. In execution, though, that gets into a lot of really thorny issues, like: Where are the borders? Can Palestinian refugees return to their former homes in present-day Israel? More on these later.

    The decades-long process of resolving that conflict has created another, overlapping conflict: managing the very unpleasant Israeli-Palestinian coexistence, in which Israel has put the Palestinians under suffocating military occupation and Palestinian militant groups terrorize Israelis.

    BOTH SIDES HAVE SQUANDERED PEACE AND PERPETUATED CONFLICT, BUT PALESTINIANS TODAY BEAR MOST OF THE SUFFERING

    Those two dimensions of the conflict are made even worse by the long, bitter, violent history between these two peoples. It's not just that there is lots of resentment and distrust; Israelis and Palestinians have such widely divergent narratives of the last 70-plus years, of what has happened and why, that even reconciling their two realities is extremely difficult. All of this makes it easier for extremists, who oppose any compromise and want to destroy or subjugate the other site entirely, to control the conversation and derail the peace process.

    The peace process, by the way, has been going on for decades, but it hasn't looked at all hopeful since the breakthrough 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords produced a glimmer of hope that has since dissipated. The conflict has settled into a terrible cycle and peace looks less possible all the time.




    Something you often hear is that "both sides" are to blame for perpetuating the conflict, and there's plenty of truth to that. There has always been and remains plenty of culpability to go around, plenty of individuals and groups on both sides that squandered peace and perpetuated conflict many times over. Still, perhaps the most essential truth of the Israel-Palestine conflict today is that the conflict predominantly matters for the human suffering it causes. And while Israelis certainly suffer deeply and in great numbers, the vast majority of the conflict's toll is incurred by Palestinian civilians. Just above, as one metric of that, are the Israeli and Palestinian conflict-related deaths every month since late 2000.


    3) How did this conflict start in the first place?



    (Left map: Passia; center and right maps: Philippe Rekacewicz / Le Monde Diplomatique)

    The conflict has been going on since the early 1900s, when the mostly-Arab, mostly-Muslim region was part of the Ottoman Empire and, starting in 1917, a "mandate" run by the British Empire. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were moving into the area, as part of a movement called Zionism among mostly European Jews to escape persecution and establish their own state in their ancestral homeland. (Later, large numbers of Middle Eastern Jews also moved to Israel, either to escape anti-Semitic violence or because they were forcibly expelled.)

    Communal violence between Jews and Arabs in British Palestine began spiraling out of control. In 1947, the United Nations approved a plan to divide British Palestine into two mostly independent countries, one for Jews called Israel and one for Arabs called Palestine. Jerusalem, holy city for Jews and Muslims, was to be a special international zone.

    The plan was never implemented. Arab leaders in the region saw it as European colonial theft and, in 1948, invaded to keep Palestine unified. The Israeli forces won the 1948 war, but they pushed well beyond the UN-designated borders to claim land that was to have been part of Palestine, including the western half of Jerusalem. They also uprooted and expelled entire Palestinian communities, creating about 700,000 refugees, whose descendants now number 7 million and are still considered refugees.

    The 1948 war ended with Israel roughly controlling the territory that you will see marked on today's maps as "Israel"; everything except for the West Bank and Gaza, which is where most Palestinian fled to (many also ended up in refugee camps in neighboring countries) and are today considered the Palestinian territories. The borders between Israel and Palestine have been disputed and fought over ever since. So has the status of those Palestinian refugees and the status of Jerusalem.

    That's the first major dimension of the conflict: reconciling the division that opened in 1948. The second began in 1967, when Israel put those two Palestinian territories under military occupation.

    4) Why is Israel occupying the Palestinian territories?




    A Palestinian boy next to the Israeli wall around the town of Qalqilya (David Silverman/Getty Images)

    This is a hugely important part of the conflict today, especially for Palestinians.

    Israel's military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza began in 1967. Up to that point, Gaza had been (more or less) controlled by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan. But in 1967 there was another war between Israel and its Arab neighbors, during which Israel occupied the two Palestinian territories. (Israel also took control of Syria's Golan Heights, which it annexed in 1981, and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, which it returned to Egypt in 1982.)

    Israeli forces have occupied and controlled the West Bank ever since. It withdrew its occupying troops and settlers from Gaza in 2005, but maintains a full blockade of the territory, which has turned Gaza into what human rights organizations sometimes call an "open-air prison" and has pushed the unemployment rate up to 40 percent.

    Israel says the occupation is necessary for security given its tiny size: to protect Israelis from Palestinian attacks and to provide a buffer from foreign invasions. But that does not explain the settlers.

    Settlers are Israelis who move into the West Bank. They are widely considered to violate international law, which forbids an occupying force from moving its citizens into occupied territory. Many of the 500,000 settlers are just looking for cheap housing; most live within a few miles of the Israeli border, often in the around surrounding Jerusalem.

    Others move deep into the West Bank to claim land for Jews, out of religious fervor and/or a desire to see more or all of the West Bank absorbed into Israel. While Israel officially forbids this and often evicts these settlers, many are still able to take root.

    In the short term, settlers of all forms make life for Palestinians even more difficult, by forcing the Israeli government to guard them with walls or soldiers that further constrain Palestinians. In the long term, the settlers create what are sometimes called "facts on the ground": Israeli communities that blur the borders and expand land that Israel could claim for itself in any eventual peace deal.

    The Israeli occupation of the West Bank is all-consuming for the Palestinians who live there, constrained by Israeli checkpoints and 20-foot walls, subject to an Israeli military justice system in which on average two children are arrested every day, stuck with an economy stifled by strict Israeli border control, and countless other indignities large and small.

    read on: http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5902177/9-questions-about-the-israel-palestine-conflict-you-were-too

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    Post  RedEzra on Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:35 pm

    How can there be peace as long as there is state sponsored terrorism ? It is not possible until filthy rich Arab oil states stop supporting terrorism !

    It is not possible until the international community demand an end to state sponsored terrorism !

    Hamas is not interested in peace ! It is a terror organisation with an ideology of terror jihad and fanatical Islam and Sharia law ! Forget it !
    Hamas is not going to stop until Israel eventually Europe and in the end the whole world is under Hamas rule of terror !





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    Post  Jenetta on Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:48 pm

    [quote="RedEzra"]How can there be peace as long as there is state sponsored terrorism ? It is not possible until filthy rich Arab oil states stop supporting terrorism !

    It is not possible until the international community demand an end to state sponsored terrorism !

    Hamas is not interested in peace ! It is a terror organisation with an ideology of terror jihad and fanatical Islam and Sharia law ! Forget it !
    Hamas is not going to stop until Israel eventually Europe and in the end the whole world is under Hamas rule of terror !



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    Post  Jenetta on Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:53 pm

    Israel committing genocide in Gaza: Palestine's UN envoy


    The Palestinian ambassador to the United Nations has lashed out at the Israeli regime for committing “genocide” against Palestinians in the besieged Gaza Strip.

    On Thursday, Riyad Mansour slammed Israel over its relentless and merciless onslaught on the blockaded enclave, saying, "When you put 1.8 million Palestinian civilians in this huge prison, denying them food...denying them electricity, denying them safe places, denying them adequate medical facilities, denying them clean water – what are you doing? Isn't that genocide?"

    "There is no safe place in the Gaza Strip, and it is so obvious that the entire civilian population is under attack by the Israeli army," said Mansour, who further demanded that the Israeli regime "be brought to justice" for causing "a human-made catastrophe in the 21st century.”

    In a presidential statement on Monday, the UN Security Council called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, and expressed "grave concern" over the rising civilian deaths, but fell short of condemning Israel’s attacks on Gaza.

    The Palestinian ambassador expressed dissatisfaction with the statement, saying the Security Council has failed to adopt a formal resolution against the Tel Aviv regime to stop its carnage in the Gaza Strip.

    "Our people in the Gaza strip are correct in saying that the international community is failing them,” he said, adding, “I hope the Security Council will reach a conclusion to adopt a resolution calling for this aggression to stop.”

    Israel has been pounding the Gaza Strip since July 8. Israeli forces also began a ground offensive against the impoverished Palestinian territory on July 17.

    At least 1,437 people have been killed in the Israeli aggression since July 8, and over 8,000 have been injured.

    Over 80 percent of the Palestinian fatalities have been reportedly civilians, including over 300 children.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/31/373541/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

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    Israel elected to leadership of UN committee on “Decolonization”

    Just when it appeared that the United Nations could not be more ineffective in protecting Palestinian rights and holding Israel accountable for violating them, here comes the news that Israel has been elected as vice-chair of the UN Special Political and Decolonization Committee – which deals among other things with matters related to Palestinian refugees.

    According to UN minutes, the representative of Israel, the world’s last settler-colonial power, received 74 votes for the post, despite strong opposition from the Arab Group of UN member states.

    Qatar, speaking on behalf of the Arab states, described Israel as a “State that violated the United Nations Charter and international law. Because its track record was rife with murder and its occupation had lasted more than 66 years, Israel was not qualified to preside over questions pertaining to Palestinian refugees, peacekeeping and the investigation of its own illegal practices.”

    The Arab states had demanded a recorded vote, an unusual step, prompting objections from the ambassador of the United Kingdom which is a member of the Group of Western European and Other States that nominated Israel.

    Canada took the opportunity to express its “unflinching support for Israel” and the United States said it “unequivocally supported Israel’s election.”

    Saudi Arabia – whose own membership of the UN Human Rights Council has drawn much criticism – said that Israel’s election was “the moral equivalent of placing the apartheid regime of South Africa in charge of a committee to end racism.”
    Theater of the absurd

    Israel thanked its supporters, but perhaps its actions spoke louder than words. While this theater of the absurd was playing out in New York, Israeli occupation forces stepped up demolitions of Palestinian homes to make way for colonial settlements.

    read on:  Arrow http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-elected-leadership-un-committee-decolonization

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    Post  burgundia on Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:33 am

    Israel/Zionists are behind ISIS...
    hamas was created by jews to give them excuse to attack Israel.
    All, so called terrorist organizations are infiltrated by Mossad.
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    Post  RedEzra on Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:47 am

    Jenetta wrote:
    Red Ezra I've already told you in blunt terms "to take your opinions elsewhere"...and get your avatar off my thread!  Web trolls are not needed here.


    When you are functioning as a mouthpiece for a well known and recognized terror organisation then you must expect opposition else you live in dreamland !



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    Israel/Zionists are behind ISIS...
    hamas was created by jews to give them excuse to attack Israel.
    All, so called terrorist organizations are infiltrated by Mossad.

    With views like this you must live in dreamland !




    Here is what ought to be done if the world wanted peace prosperity freedom human rights etc in the Middle East.


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    Post  mudra on Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:05 pm

    Some 63 Israelis and about 1460 Palestinians have died since the current conflict started a month ago, with children accounting for at least 245 of the deaths

    You know REDezera what it is really about ?  It's about diving deep into one's heart and demonstrate our noblest qualities through compassion and Love and bravory.

    An Israeli Soldier's Story - Eran Efrati

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93hqlmrZKd8#t=125



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    Post  RedEzra on Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:01 pm

    mudra wrote:You know REDezera what it is really about ?  It's about diving deep into one's heart and demonstrate our noblest qualities through compassion and Love and bravory.


    I'm sure somebody said that in 1939 as well.

    How can I say this... let me try... the Jews wanted a two state solution back in 1948 but the Arabs attacked them and Jordan got control of the West Bank. Then the Arabs attacked them again in 1967 and Jordan lost the West Bank and Syria lost Golan and Egypt lost Sinai. Then the Arabs attacked them again in 1973 and lost again.

    Since then the Arabs have been sponsoring Arab terrorists and suicide bombers to terrorize Israel.

    This is reality !

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    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-soldier-and-the-refusenik-a-case-study-in-psychopathic-self-abhorrence/

    Maya Wind and Eran Efrati are alleged peace activists who are touring the country and warning university students about the sins of the Jewish people. They call themselves “The Soldier and the Refusenik; and my friends and I had the unfortunate opportunity of seeing them lecture at Tulane University in New Orleans, Louisiana.

    Efrati, a former IDF soldier who now hates both the IDF and his own country, talks a good game. He begins his introduction to the students with a well rehearsed sentimental story of how he was a sweet naive soldier who, in a desire to see love and peace between Arabs and Jews develop, offered candy to a young Arab child, in Hebron. Later, allegedly, in a random house drawing exhibition on the part of the IDF, Efrati finds himself in that same boy’s house. After making the mistake of pointing a gun at the child and, due to his own negligence, getting the boy’s father arrested, Efrati apparently then sees the proverbial light, and decides to fight against Israel, Zionism, and the self-determination of his own people. All because of his own stupidity which he of course blames on the very existence of the Jewish state. So, like most psychopaths, he blames his own pathologies on a completely unrelated entity, namely Israel, and to justify this action, makes up stories about the Zionist state. For example, He laments the checkpoints, which keep Israelis, both Jews and Arabs, safe from terror attacks. He says checkpoints are axiomatic proof of “apartheid,” (which by this standard means that the JFK airport is proof of American “apartheid” as well).

    Read more  Arrow  http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-soldier-and-the-refusenik-a-case-study-in-psychopathic-self-abhorrence/
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    Post  mudra on Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:56 pm

    Walter Russell - The Dawn of a New Day in Human Relations

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCkF5_zcCLw


    THE DAWN OF A NEW DAY IN HUMAN RELATIONS. WHY MEN WAGE WAR AND HOW TO PREVENT IT.
    This address by Walter Russell (narrated by Matt Presti) was given on his 80th birthday, May 19th, 1951 at Portsmouth, VA for the Armed Forces Celebration Day in front of highly ranked members of the U.S. military. He passionately laid out the causes for why men wage war and the solution for it. Along with his wife Lao Russell, they worked tirelessly to assist in mankind's transition from living a bodily existence outwardly toward the senses to a mind existence inwardly toward the soul. They knew that if man could understand the factual interpretation of the Golden Rule, that “what man does to another he does to himself,” then he could begin to change the way in which he interchanges with his fellow man. With this awareness, the beginnings of a true brotherhood and sisterhood could begin to emerge among greater and greater numbers of humankind until it became common knowledge between all mankind.

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    Post  mudra on Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:18 pm

    RedEzra wrote:


    I'm sure somebody said that in 1939 as well.

    How can I say this... let me try... the Jews wanted a two state solution back in 1948 but the Arabs attacked them and Jordan got control of the West Bank. Then the Arabs attacked them again in 1967 and Jordan lost the West Bank and Syria lost Golan and Egypt lost Sinai. Then the Arabs attacked them again in 1973 and lost again.

    Since then the Arabs have been sponsoring Arab terrorists and suicide bombers to terrorize Israel.

    This is reality !

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    I hear you ReEzra I do. However don't ask me to think left opposite right in this matter for all my heart sees is a lack of wholeness in men.

    Owning land, possessions and power over other fellow beings isn't a birth right nor a guarantee for happiness and safety. Neither does this justify raising wars with other nations killing women and children alike and destroying our beautiful planet along.

    This took place again and again on Earth in an unending dwindling spiral making men the enemy of men, men the enemy of other earthly creatures , men the enemy of self. For when every man's " enemies " will be wiped out from the map do you see there will be no men left.

    What my point really is RedEzra is that this attitude is not what will bring peace no matter what the " good reasons " may be.

    Peace isn't something that comes along with a treaty and laws to enforce it.

    Peace is a moment to moment choice that begins here and now at the core of one's heart.
    For peace is a state of Being.A state of Being that connects us with all life.
    Peace is Love in action.

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    Post  RedEzra on Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:17 am

    mudra wrote:
    What my point really is RedEzra is that this attitude is not what will bring peace no matter what the " good reasons " may be.

    Peace isn't something that comes along with a treaty and laws to enforce it.

    Peace is a moment to moment choice that begins here and now at the core of one's heart.
    For peace is a state of Being.A state of Being that connects us with all life.
    Peace is Love in action.

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    Look mother when my neighbour bombards my property with rockets and endanger the lives of my children then i'm going to take them away from him. Now he is probably not just going to give them to me but put up a fight which will portray me as a big bully because he often fights with no uniform in public places behind shields of civilians and children which he does not care about else he would not randomly bombard my property with rockets and endanger the lives of children.

    Can you come and talk to him and tell a thing or two about heart and love and last but not least peace ? I want peace... I dream of peace... I'm tired of terror ! Can you come and take the rockets away today ? Or turn them to desert roses ? Sometimes I think it was best if we burnt up back in Europe... but life got a will to live and so we go on in this old land of ours where David was king and Solomon the wisest man in the world. We still got a wall of the old temple... well love from me and pray for peace.





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