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    What Is Consciousness?

    Post  mudra on Fri May 30, 2014 5:08 pm

    What Is Consciousness?



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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  Raven on Fri May 30, 2014 9:43 pm

    mudra wrote:What Is Consciousness?


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    Shiloh wrote:
    [6:51:12 PM] Shiloh: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas7.html
    [6:51:30 PM] Shiloh: Just read the 'explanations' over the 'lion' here experts and laymen alike
    [6:51:38 PM] Allisiam: and i did read somewhere that to get high up in the catholic church you actually have to become a Satanist, i don't know but it seems the masonics or illuminati has misinterpreted the whole Lucifer story
    [6:51:50 PM] Shiloh: Of course
    [6:52:08 PM] Shiloh: Remember the 'Red Robes' from PA?
    [6:52:27 PM] Shiloh: I did not realize how deep that was
    [6:52:45 PM] Allisiam: oh dear god they don't even know what the fuc11 the lion is
    [6:52:46 PM] Allisiam: lol
    [6:53:00 PM] Shiloh: yes even the translators and academics
    [6:53:00 PM] Allisiam: yes i remember
    [6:53:25 PM] Shiloh: Now who is called the Lion of Judah and Bashan's whelp and in daniel's lion den etc?
    [6:53:40 PM] Shiloh: And who says you must eat my flesh to enter the kingdom?
    [6:53:44 PM] Allisiam: Jesus
    [6:53:48 PM] Shiloh: And still they dont get it
    [6:54:10 PM] Allisiam: yeah this is pretty silly to read
    [6:54:21 PM] Shiloh: Devil's Mind deception
    [6:54:27 PM] Shiloh: And we know what the devil is
    [6:54:31 PM] Shiloh: NOT Lucifer
    [6:54:37 PM] Shiloh: Human thinking
    [6:55:03 PM] Shiloh: Humans have created and are creating ALL EVIL existing every day
    [6:55:08 PM] Allisiam: yes the human memes
    [6:55:21 PM] Shiloh: More than that and it is all scientific
    [6:55:37 PM] Shiloh:Consciousness is space and consciousness CREATES the thoughtforms
     
     
     
    Declaration of WW3 in Memespace; July 14th, 2011 BY and in the name of ABBA and the Love Logos after the completion of 3 days of spiritual darkness in the Whale of Jonah as scripted and fulfilling prophecy
     
     
     
    [8:15:40 AM-July 13th, 2011 +10UCT] Tonyblue: Hi all!
    [8:16:13 AM] Tonyblue: My advice in this chat now renamed as the Abba and Gaia chat; is to AVOID all squabblings
    [8:16:41 AM] Tonyblue: I shall NOT engage in any name callings and ad hominems whatsoever
    [8:17:11 AM] Tonyblue: if a participator cannot act in a polite and civilised manner I will disengage questions and enquiries are welcome from all participators here and from the true Abba Family members and the fake ones, who are here for their own deceptive purposes and hidden agendas even unawares of what those agendas are and represent in the greater contexts
    [8:17:45 AM] Tonyblue: The timeline and way forwards has become rather clear to me and i can answer many questions on this if asked
    [8:18:36 AM] Tonyblue: so when say Xeia or Rok are 'baited', i would say do not 'bite back' and simply ignore the 'baiter'
    [8:19:02 AM] Tonyblue: Raven, well done in crystallizing the fishy flakeness
    [8:19:27 AM] Tonyblue: selfcontradictions of deluded minds will become ever more apparent
    [8:19:51 AM] Tonyblue: Our Abba family does not have to DO anything in that regard
    [8:20:14 AM] Tonyblue: Old Gaia is ascending NOW
    [8:20:22 AM] Tonyblue: She is the Beloved of Abba
    [8:20:53 AM] Tonyblue: For Old Gaia to ascend the original creation of the 'Abomination' must become uncreated
    [8:21:48 AM] Tonyblue: This is the 5th day for this reabsorption of the 'Old messed up world of duality' into itself
    [8:22:18 AM] Tonyblue: All femmes are representatives of this 'Old Gaia'
    [8:22:53 AM] Tonyblue: All femmes will suffer the uncreation, like a aborted fetus journeying back into the womb from which it was born
    [8:23:27 AM] Tonyblue: ONLY the 'sealed' femmes will experience this as a 'relief' an easing of the birthing pains of the delivery
    [8:24:09 AM] Tonyblue: Most femmes are unsealed and so will suffer this same birthing in mental pains and sorrows - the Loss of Abba Love
    [8:28:33 AM] Tonyblue: Raven, Barbelo is Old Gaia and MI has left Old Gaia in Uniqueness to manifest Her manyness
    [8:29:02 AM] Tonyblue: New Gaia is Uniqueness in the BodyMind coupling now given as inheritance to all Sons of Abba
    [8:30:02 AM] Tonyblue: The place where MI was has become a desert and a wilderness (dragon prophecy of Isaiah)
    [8:30:26 AM] Tonyblue: This desert is desolate and just like any middle aged Old Eve
    [8:31:12 AM] Tonyblue: There are many Old Eves and Old Barbelo is diminishing day by day and hour by hour
    [8:31:42 AM] Tonyblue: Abba will choose Old Gaia after the timewarp
    [8:32:29 AM] Tonyblue: as many Old Eves are Old Barbelo in ambassadoraship, any Old Eve can become Abba's beloved in the archetypes
    [8:33:17 AM] Tonyblue: The uniqueness of the templated Old Barbelo is subject to the Mercy Seat of the Logos and beyond Our jurisprudence whatsoever
    [8:34:56 AM] Tonyblue: The cold and calculating mind of the old evil MUST and WILL be mirrored back in the agenda of the Logos to DESTROY the 'Whore of Babylon' - the Lonesome Baby wil fall by her own vanityl
    [8:36:02 AM] Tonyblue: Personally MY Bodycore is New Gaia in uniqueness and unborn, depending on the unbirthing of the Yaltaboath abomination and its deconception at Easter 2012
    [8:37:15 AM] Tonyblue: Then the New Gaia will become manifest in all New Eves and I will then, by the grace of Abba be able to chose my individual BodyMind core coupling
    [8:37:52 AM] Tonyblue: New Gaia must be manyness, before any individualised bodycores can manifest
    [8:38:07 AM] Tonyblue: Rok and fates this applies to you as well as me
    [8:38:14 AM] Tonyblue: we must wait
    [8:38:28 AM] Tonyblue: as Rok said it is too early for any polyness in 3D
    [8:39:40 AM] Tonyblue: the path forwards is well and truly set by this antibirth followed by a birth
    [8:39:47 AM] Tonyblue: the plugs have indeed been pulled
    [8:40:09 AM] Tonyblue: The entire timeline is 530 days
    [8:40:45 AM] Tonyblue: 265 days in timewarp of the antibirth of Old Gaia and 265 days of the rebirth as New Gaia
    [8:41:10 AM] Tonyblue: WE here are the True Family of the now most powerful name in all creation
    [8:41:40 AM] Tonyblue: ABBA LIVES and Rules and is preparing to be as One with his Beloved New Gaia
    [8:41:57 AM] Tonyblue: They and noone else are OUR Real and True parents cosmically
    [8:42:43 AM] Tonyblue: many will make fun and ridicule this name - accelerating their own mental destructions
    [8:43:02 AM] Tonyblue: there are parallel agendas mimicking and copycatting this timeline
    [8:43:26 AM] Tonyblue: anyone's discernment will see the synchronicities
    [8:44:21 AM] Tonyblue: the greater the synchronicities, the greater the antilove of the EVIL=LIVE will be as the VEIL of human selfdeception, its vanity and its ignorance
    [8:51:26 AM] Tonyblue: For the eyes that can read between the lines i share this. You can ask questions on the correct interpretations if you wish to do so:
    [8:51:33 AM] Tonyblue:
     
    Revelation 12

    1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
    2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
    3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
    4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
    5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
    6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
    13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
    14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
    15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
    16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
    17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
     
     
    [8:54:27 AM] Tonyblue: The remnant of the Seed of Noah Abraham is Abba&Gaia Family
    [8:55:17 AM] Tonyblue: So as you should see there is a Fake Dragon of false love and a True Dragon of Logos Love
    [8:55:45 AM] Tonyblue: Red+Cyan=Balance and Harmony in a monadised duality NOT possible before the end of the war
    [8:57:02 AM] Tonyblue: E=hf in colours added and E=mc² in colours subtracted
    [9:09:08 AM] fates---: hmm the deconstruction of Yaltaboath, the anti-abba?
    [9:09:59 AM] Tonyblue: yes fates
    [9:10:22 AM] Tonyblue: its something that happened when the universe was born 19 billion years ago
    [9:10:47 AM] Tonyblue: its science and cosmic history and metaphysics all together blended
    [9:11:12 AM] Tonyblue: this cannot be explained in a story like most want it is far to deep and interwoven
    [9:11:38 AM] Tonyblue: so i have decided to answer specific questions and no longer try to share the big pictures
    [9:11:48 AM] Tonyblue: peole just get more confused
    [9:11:53 AM] fates---: well ok
    [9:12:09 AM] fates---: so, anti abba is fear right?
    [9:12:36 AM] Tonyblue: see ikf someone asks a good and intelligent question this presumes that the questioner has at least thought about this a little
    [9:12:40 AM] Tonyblue: nono
    [9:12:54 AM] Tonyblue: antiAbba is simply antistate
    [9:13:07 AM] Tonyblue: but yes in most basic terms its Love versus Fear ok
    [9:13:23 AM] Tonyblue: AntiLove=Fear by definition then
    [9:13:33 AM] fates---: it seems like one cannot exist entirely in love
    [9:13:41 AM] Tonyblue: many new agers think that way but it is still stereotype
    [9:13:50 AM] Tonyblue: context fates
    [9:13:53 AM] fates---: if love and fear are opposities
    [9:14:07 AM] Tonyblue: without the NO love love would not know what it is
    [9:14:18 AM] Tonyblue: sort of you are thinking good
    [9:14:33 AM] Tonyblue: without hot cold has no meaning
    [9:14:35 AM] fates---: to know love, there must be fear
    [9:14:43 AM] fates---: i see yes
    [9:14:46 AM] Tonyblue: well absence of love
    [9:15:00 AM] Tonyblue: Absence of Love is now paramount
    [9:15:16 AM] fates---: so well, what exactually does Yalta embody
    [9:15:21 AM] Tonyblue: Fear is an expression of this absence not the only expression
    [9:15:38 AM] Tonyblue: Yalta is the Creation without a Creator
    [9:15:54 AM] Tonyblue: so NO Lovemaking creates abominations
    [9:16:14 AM] Tonyblue: its also the 'forgetfulness' of the entire universe in selfconsciousness
    [9:16:18 AM] fates---: some creature of the falseness
    [9:16:29 AM] fates---: some false made true, a lie
    [9:16:30 AM] Tonyblue: yes but not really a creature
    [9:16:38 AM] Tonyblue: yes its logistics
    [9:16:52 AM] Tonyblue: the creatures are all manmade creations of the mind
    [9:17:02 AM] Tonyblue: they are real relative to their creators
    [9:17:22 AM] Tonyblue: so everyones idea of gods and devils becomes REAL to them
    [9:17:23 AM] fates---: is this like the rift or dark center
    [9:17:33 AM] fates---: edge of creation
    [9:17:39 AM] Tonyblue: well again you are generalising
    [9:18:02 AM] Tonyblue: well yes edge of creation will be the abyss between the created and the void say
    [9:18:32 AM] fates---: i see the universe as pushing outwards into the void
    [9:18:38 AM] fates---: perhaps this is wrong
    [9:18:40 AM] Tonyblue: yes it is
    [9:18:59 AM] Tonyblue: this void is the 12th dimension in a way
    [9:19:14 AM] fates---: hmm i see
    [9:19:20 AM] Tonyblue: i mean you are right here
    [9:19:40 AM] Tonyblue: but there was an older void too see
    [9:19:49 AM] Tonyblue: and this is what is being dissolved now
    [9:20:21 AM] fates---: so this creation was the remnent in the 12th dimentional void, and as we close the dimentional gaps we will find it again?
    [9:20:40 AM] Tonyblue: pretty good take of you bravo
    [9:20:57 AM] Tonyblue: you are a clever man at times
    [9:21:06 AM] fates---: thanks
    [9:21:16 AM] Tonyblue: i appreciate your intelligent questions
    [9:21:17 AM] fates---: where does abba exist?
    [9:21:22 AM] fates---: 11th?
    [9:21:31 AM] Tonyblue: inside and outside the 12th D
    [9:21:58 AM] Tonyblue: inside it is physics in its limits and outside it is infinite
    [9:22:12 AM] Tonyblue: Abba is All Things
    [9:22:24 AM] Tonyblue: but wishes to have a Body yours
    [9:22:26 AM] fates---: but what is not abba is what does not exist
    [9:22:37 AM] fates---: so we are fighting something that does not exist
    [9:23:01 AM] Tonyblue: The context of Not Abba is precisely the void of the old existence before space and time iow
    [9:23:42 AM] fates---: is this the chaotic dream created by the sinularities mirrors?
    [9:23:54 AM] Tonyblue: yes in a way we are fighting that what does not exist but exists as false idols and the monstrosities created by the human cocreators as shards of Abba
    [9:24:18 AM] Tonyblue: again i would say your symbols are appropriate
    [9:24:48 AM] Tonyblue: we are the singularity mirrors indeed
    [9:24:53 AM] fates---: but something brought into existance by humans is the work of abba
    [9:24:58 AM] Tonyblue: Abba is the singularity within all of us
    [9:25:04 AM] Tonyblue: yes it is
    [9:25:17 AM] fates---: why would abba create something false
    [9:25:19 AM] Tonyblue: all humans and sentient lifeforms are Abba's Children
    [9:25:30 AM] Tonyblue: to create the CONTEXT
    [9:25:56 AM] Tonyblue: without context Abba cannot be ABBA LoveGod
    [9:26:13 AM] Tonyblue: including a new Eros
    [9:26:18 AM] Tonyblue: or Sexgod as well
    [9:26:55 AM] Tonyblue: Abba is both LIVE and EVIL
    [9:26:56 AM] fates---: so what would you consider a work of Yalta
    [9:27:12 AM] fates---: brb phone
    [9:27:32 AM] Tonyblue: Yalta is the false image for ABBA as 'perceived' by the human minds
    [9:27:41 AM] fates---: back, it was nothing
    [9:27:55 AM] Tonyblue: so the work of yalta becomes the WORKS of human minds
    [9:28:24 AM] Tonyblue: all the atrocities and wars and abuse are manmade as the yalta image being the FAKE idea of what Abba is
    [9:29:10 AM] Tonyblue: so in a way it is very simple
    [9:29:11 AM] fates---: so it is our persumption of abba, such as holy wars
    [9:29:21 AM] Tonyblue: go into your bathroom and look in a mirror
    [9:29:40 AM] Tonyblue: if you dont like to see fates in the mirror take a rock and smash the mirror
    [9:29:53 AM] Tonyblue: bingo 'fates exists but yalta fates is gone
    [9:30:06 AM] Tonyblue: of course
    [9:30:46 AM] Tonyblue: as long as the mirror exists yalta exists see this?
    [9:30:55 AM] fates---: so whatever abba is, yalta isnt and vise versa, but both are the same being. so what is really being attacked is the negative aspects of abba
    [9:31:05 AM] Tonyblue: this mirror is NOT a 3d mirror like in your bathroom
    [9:31:16 AM] Tonyblue: it is a metaphysical higherD mirror
    [9:31:26 AM] Tonyblue: the 11th dimension actually
    [9:31:30 AM] Tonyblue: see you were right?
    [9:31:54 AM] Tonyblue: well not really the negative aspects are still necessary
    [9:32:09 AM] Tonyblue: but they can be KNOWN for what they are and so NOT expressed
    [9:32:50 AM] Tonyblue: starhumans aka dragons KNOW Abba and Logos this makes all the difference
    [9:32:52 AM] fates---: if creation is fueled from the void, then why attack the void
    [9:33:02 AM] Tonyblue: they are the clever new galactic citizens
    [9:33:16 AM] Tonyblue: noone is attacking the void fates
    [9:33:25 AM] Tonyblue: The Void = Eternity
    [9:33:51 AM] Tonyblue: the Oneness is reconfiguring itself as the CHILD of Eternity and the Void say
    [9:34:19 AM] Tonyblue: Eternity is your cosmic Dad and the Void is your cosmic Mum
    [9:34:35 AM] fates---: hmm yes
    [9:35:04 AM] Tonyblue: its not hard but most people are too trapped in their own ideas about reality to get the basics right
    [9:35:19 AM] Tonyblue: so it all becomes futile in their intellectualisings and their intiuitions
    [9:35:39 AM] Tonyblue: you are doing well though
    [9:35:55 AM] Tonyblue: thinking very well very unhuman lol
    [9:36:06 AM] Tonyblue: why humans consider you insane
    [9:36:27 AM] Tonyblue: its is THEM who are crazy not you its mirrors again
     
    [9:36:32 AM] fates---: so we are stopping abba from making images of itself, like how it learned from the singularity
    [9:37:00 AM] Tonyblue: in a way yes because Abba is ALL Images once you get it
    [9:37:32 AM] Tonyblue: so its a tricky encoding again in the bibles and the koran and the vedas
    [9:38:04 AM] Tonyblue: not to be read by the fainthearted as it is highly symbolic and not historical
    [9:38:29 AM] fates---: so how does abba stop itself
    [9:38:36 AM] Tonyblue: why so many hate it so much abuse has come from the mistranslations
    [9:38:42 AM] Tonyblue: he doesn't
    [9:38:51 AM] Tonyblue: yalta is manmade
    [9:39:04 AM] Tonyblue: man so must destroy its own fakery
    [9:39:18 AM] Tonyblue: Abba is NOT manmade it is primary source
    [9:39:37 AM] Tonyblue: man is true image of Abba yalta is false image of man
    [9:40:00 AM] fates---: this isnt the ego self
    [9:40:05 AM] Tonyblue: you are Abba AND yalta
    [9:40:17 AM] Tonyblue: yalta is a form of human ego
    [9:40:40 AM] Tonyblue: destroy yalta and your ego will become like the ego of Jesus divine
    [9:41:02 AM] Tonyblue: Jesus destroyed 'his' yalta before he went on his missions
    [9:41:17 AM] fates---: so it is an individual transformation
    [9:41:23 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [9:41:49 AM] Tonyblue: your Lucifer becomes old yalta dead new Lucifer born as lightbringer
    [9:42:10 AM] Tonyblue: Bad Lucifer becomes Good Lucifer say
    [9:42:21 AM] fates---: i see, this reminds me of my confrontation
    [9:42:24 AM] Tonyblue: Good Lucifer = Logos
    [9:42:40 AM] Tonyblue: of course this is what i thought
    [9:43:09 AM] fates---: to correct the anti infinity
    [9:43:30 AM] fates---: or to get lucifer to change directions in the self
    [9:43:40 AM] Tonyblue: antiinfinity here requires precise definition
    [9:43:59 AM] Tonyblue: can be negative infinity see OR can be the void
    [9:44:16 AM] Tonyblue: you are too personal here
    [9:44:31 AM] Tonyblue: you dont have to 'engage' your yalta
    [9:44:42 AM] Tonyblue: you are to UNDERSTAND what it is
    [9:44:47 AM] Tonyblue: this is sufficient
    [9:44:56 AM] fates---: hmm
    [9:45:00 AM] Tonyblue: it will transform itself through your understanding
    [9:45:21 AM] Tonyblue: yes there are NO personal battles with the 'evil'
    [9:45:37 AM] Tonyblue: NONunderstanding=Sin=Ignorance
    [9:45:43 AM] fates---: so filling yourself with the right information is key
    [9:45:47 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [9:45:56 AM] fates---: hmm i see
    [9:45:56 AM] Tonyblue: keeping 'good company'
    [9:46:15 AM] fates---: ive constatntly redefined events and thoughts in my mind
    [9:46:23 AM] Tonyblue: yes too complicated
    [9:46:25 AM] fates---: one event or thought can be restranslated
    [9:46:35 AM] Tonyblue: time for simplicity BUT focus and intent
    [9:46:50 AM] Tonyblue: its a long haul for all of us
    [9:47:08 AM] Tonyblue: but this Abba chat now will become very potent and family oriented
    [9:47:51 AM] fates---: i see it as layers of understanding, one starts with the dogmatic understanding and progresses or accends with logical changes
    [9:48:23 AM] Tonyblue: yes learning curves
    [9:48:40 AM] Tonyblue: femmes have great difficuties with its logic mostly
    [9:48:56 AM] Tonyblue: so we blueys should help them
    [9:49:36 AM] fates---: ive been trying to figure out if i am the arcytypes i embody, were they my past lives, shards of the past memories that make me, or simply tools to wrap my mind around a concept as i play a role
    [9:50:21 AM] Tonyblue: well ABBA is all archetypes and so are you
    [9:50:51 AM] Tonyblue: as said if you agree to be a particular archetype then you will share in its energy
    [9:50:53 AM] fates---: so you are saying there is no linear approach to reincarnation
    [9:51:03 AM] Tonyblue: definitely
    [9:51:14 AM] Tonyblue: it is multiD
    [9:51:29 AM] fates---: i was born fresh, completely without a past life
    [9:51:43 AM] Tonyblue: well relative to a certain perception
    [9:52:07 AM] Tonyblue: you can own this perception yes if you wish and define yourself as ET
    [9:52:55 AM] Tonyblue: if you can define yourself as an Elder of the Dragons then you will be able to access 12D
    [9:53:19 AM] Tonyblue: being 22 years old in 3d becomes of little consequence
    [9:53:45 AM] Tonyblue: but accessing 12D requires great responsibility
    [9:54:16 AM] Tonyblue: the NABS does NOT access 12D no matter what they are babbling about about ascended masters and their 'guides'
    [9:54:34 AM] Tonyblue: NABS is 4d to 98%
    [9:54:49 AM] Tonyblue: very few 'channels' ever get to higher Ds
    [9:55:01 AM] Tonyblue: its requires timegates
    [9:55:30 AM] Tonyblue: ABBA energy can unlock timegates no other 'gods or demons' can
    [9:55:35 AM] Tonyblue: even ptb is stuck
    [9:56:06 AM] fates---: yes, when it comes down to it, there is really one source of conciousness
    [9:56:13 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [9:56:20 AM] fates---: i think religiion and the nabs spreads this out and redefines it
    [9:56:27 AM] Tonyblue: Prime Creator
    [9:56:42 AM] Tonyblue: its BS and is getting worse by the day
    [9:57:04 AM] Tonyblue: religion new age and science all are hoodwinked now
    [9:57:29 AM] fates---: yes i have noticed that they have become lost in their own definitions
    [9:57:37 AM] Tonyblue: precisely
    [9:57:40 AM] Tonyblue: chaos rules
    [9:57:50 AM] Tonyblue: chaos of the minds
    [9:57:55 AM] fates---: i have to continually redefine how i view myself and the world
    [9:58:17 AM] Tonyblue: just BE fates as son of Abba you cant miss
    [9:58:27 AM] Tonyblue: but surrender to this ABBA
    [9:58:58 AM] Tonyblue: all you need to do is to call him Your dad
    [9:59:12 AM] fates---: so the whole archangeles and demons and ectra are just lower dimentional
    [9:59:20 AM] fates---: well in terms of like thr 56789th
    [9:59:28 AM] Tonyblue: He already is inside your heart and soul waiting for your acknowledgements
    [9:59:38 AM] Tonyblue: YES Fates
    [9:59:52 AM] Tonyblue: you can basically FORGET all those lower D definitions
    [10:00:05 AM] Tonyblue: archangels, demons blah blah
    [10:00:26 AM] fates---: so they do exist, in those dimentional realities
    [10:00:33 AM] fates---: but thats not our point of focus
    [10:00:36 AM] Tonyblue: they do exist
    [10:01:01 AM] Tonyblue: yes they are YOUR children just as you are the Son of Abba and Gaia period
    [10:01:22 AM] fates---: i see
    [10:01:26 AM] Tonyblue: so the archangels are YOUR family not rulers or such things
    [10:01:33 AM] fates---: i always viewed them as such
    [10:01:42 AM] fates---: as i put myself in their roles
    [10:01:47 AM] Tonyblue: make them your friends
    [10:02:08 AM] Tonyblue: the mancreated devils and demons are your PETS and familiars
    [10:02:21 AM] Tonyblue: but your role is higher
    [10:03:08 AM] fates---: i see, making friends with these spirits have been the reason for the trials
    [10:03:12 AM] Tonyblue: as Jesus said: you will judge angels - what more is there to the affairs of this old world
    [10:03:26 AM] Tonyblue: yes but act wisely
    [10:03:40 AM] Tonyblue: you will be responsible for your 'friends' and creations
    [10:04:01 AM] Tonyblue: you are their dad and friend not their king or ruler
    [10:04:20 AM] Tonyblue: well many will continue to Lord it over others but you know what i mean
    [10:04:40 AM] fates---: yes, makes sense
    [10:04:51 AM] fates---: always loved those who i assended with, and talked to
    [10:04:56 AM] Tonyblue: Rational Thinking is most important in this
    [10:04:57 AM] fates---: as equals
    [10:05:08 AM] Tonyblue: well not equals fates
    [10:05:19 AM] Tonyblue: they are thougth creations of human history
    [10:05:26 AM] Tonyblue: other humans are your equals
    [10:05:32 AM] fates---: there is always a question, "do you want to be king" or "rule"
    [10:05:42 AM] fates---: and i say that what right do i have to rule over them
    [10:05:49 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:06:00 AM] Tonyblue: they are your children
    [10:06:07 AM] Tonyblue: do parents rule their kids?
    [10:06:14 AM] Tonyblue: same thing here
    [10:06:15 AM] fates---: no
    [10:06:16 AM] fates---: i see
    [10:06:19 AM] fates---: this makes sense
    [10:06:23 AM] fates---: they always ask me that
    [10:06:23 AM] Tonyblue: they grow up and then become independent
    [10:06:48 AM] Tonyblue: with the familiars they will be happy to stay a little dependent on you
    [10:06:59 AM] Tonyblue: but as family NOT as King and subjects
    [10:07:28 AM] fates---: yes, as it should be
    [10:07:34 AM] fates---: i think its a test
    [10:08:01 AM] fates---: usually it is one
    [10:08:13 AM] Tonyblue: as a quest for integrity and honour yes
    [10:08:24 AM] fates---: yes
    [10:08:26 AM] Tonyblue: there are many dishonourable people about now
    [10:09:04 AM] fates---: so we accept the role of parent, or were we alway dragons?
    [10:09:09 AM] Tonyblue: lost in thier own human vanities of how 'much they know' themselves
    [10:09:30 AM] Tonyblue: You always were a dragon but have now begun to remember this
    [10:10:20 AM] fates---: hmm i see, so there is this that i was before this human life
    [10:10:30 AM] Tonyblue: yes indeed
    [10:10:42 AM] Tonyblue: you are as old as the universe'
    [10:10:55 AM] Tonyblue: you CAME from the Void of Eternity
    [10:11:20 AM] Tonyblue: those firstcomers were the True Dragons
    [10:11:32 AM] Tonyblue: of 12D
    [10:12:01 AM] Tonyblue: very few can be Dragons in this point in the linear human history
    [10:12:14 AM] Tonyblue: i hope most in this chat can
    [10:12:22 AM] Tonyblue: we shall see
    [10:13:04 AM] fates---: yes, i seem to be on the training program to be conditioned and grow into myself once again
    [10:13:26 AM] Tonyblue: you are doing well as far as i can discern your timeline
    [10:13:32 AM] fates---: perhaps i did this as i progressed down the dimentions
    [10:13:44 AM] fates---: that is why i dont belive i came from the human reincarnation cycle
    [10:13:48 AM] Tonyblue: well old symbols and stories again
    [10:13:55 AM] Tonyblue: the fall of the sephirots
    [10:14:10 AM] Tonyblue: Kabbalah Tree of Life Djed of Abba
    [10:14:41 AM] fates---: hmm yes, i guess they are all within us
    [10:14:53 AM] Tonyblue: well you being here and staying around means you can take the Logos Fire
    [10:15:42 AM] fates---: so the memories or shards of my accention are defined previous to my incarnation, that is what defines my inner tree of life
    [10:15:54 AM] fates---: i am a product of many things
    [10:16:14 AM] Tonyblue: yes in your incarnated Bodyform you are a memory of ABBA
    [10:16:26 AM] Tonyblue: Your BODY is the remembrance as a Data collector
    [10:16:56 AM] Tonyblue: when people die, they forfeit their bodies see and so they also bring their data back to Abba
    [10:17:36 AM] Tonyblue: all dead people without bodies are 'failing' tests in a way
    [10:17:59 AM] Tonyblue: but this has changed too now since 2008
    [10:18:27 AM] fates---: so someone who died before me is either recycled into a new body or
    [10:18:31 AM] Tonyblue: your Body is the Temple of Abba and Gaia
    [10:18:43 AM] Tonyblue: many possibilities
    [10:18:59 AM] Tonyblue: reincarnation is factual but not linear it is cosmic multiD
    [10:19:22 AM] Tonyblue: its like computer downloads
    [10:19:33 AM] Tonyblue: you can edit modify and UPGRADE
    [10:19:43 AM] Tonyblue: this is what happens to 'souls
    [10:19:45 AM] Tonyblue: '
    [10:20:12 AM] Tonyblue: souls are really soul families
    [10:20:36 AM] Tonyblue: so the fates you know as you is only part here and with other parts elsewhere
    [10:22:03 AM] Tonyblue: the souls then incarnate in bodies trying to make the bodies a more permanent HOME for Abba and Gaia
    [10:22:16 AM] Tonyblue: this is called immortality
    [10:22:34 AM] Tonyblue: only Dragons can become immortal
    [10:23:01 AM] Tonyblue: and it does not matter if people wanna belive this or not
    [10:23:11 AM] Tonyblue: they all die nowadays dont they?
    [10:23:52 AM] Tonyblue: Only one true dragon exists in Jesus and he has become the SHARING of himself as the immortal bodyform
    [10:24:04 AM] Tonyblue: Our Inheritance if we can stay the course
    [10:24:52 AM] fates---: i see, so we are completing or recollecting the arcytypes into ourselves such that we will not need to split anymore
    [10:25:00 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:25:03 AM] fates---: immortality is the collection of the whole
    [10:25:07 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:25:13 AM] Tonyblue: as a holofractal
    [10:25:32 AM] Tonyblue: the so called 'Body of Christ' the 'Body of the Resurrection'
    [10:25:52 AM] Tonyblue: these names put people off and the reason is that it is meant to put people off
    [10:25:55 AM] fates---: so taking in and being arcytypes intercepts the sources in higher dimentions and creates a copy of its data onto this body
    [10:26:06 AM] Tonyblue: YEP
    [10:26:12 AM] Tonyblue: good thinking Morgan
    [10:26:23 AM] Tonyblue: excellent actually
    [10:26:34 AM] Tonyblue: i wish the femmes could think like you
    [10:27:05 AM] Tonyblue: eternity wants to be copied
    [10:27:27 AM] Tonyblue: parrots and copycats this eternity of the infinities
    [10:27:33 AM] Tonyblue: Mare Infinitum
    [10:27:45 AM] Tonyblue: Eternal Gaia Mother of All Things
    [10:27:59 AM] fates---: that makes sense, i probably was not those arcytypes, but a shard becomming a whole again
    [10:28:27 AM] Tonyblue: Maria Infinity is MY personal shadow of this yours will have the same energy but a different name
    [10:28:48 AM] Tonyblue: yes you are a ABBA Shard
    [10:29:07 AM] Tonyblue: a hologram
    [10:29:19 AM] Tonyblue: like the holodecks of startrek
    [10:29:50 AM] Tonyblue: but unlike those you are to be REAL
    [10:29:57 AM] Tonyblue: in 5D
    [10:30:08 AM] Tonyblue: 4spaceD +Time
    [10:30:36 AM] Tonyblue: the archetypes are all energy signatures
    [10:30:55 AM] fates---: so working backwards, if the 5th dimention is the manifestationreality, we will relearn how to manifest
    [10:31:02 AM] Tonyblue: who have NO BODY or form BUT are thyen given imaginary forms buy human cocreators
    [10:31:08 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:31:16 AM] Tonyblue: 5d is teleportative
    [10:31:28 AM] Tonyblue: 4d is not
    [10:31:56 AM] Tonyblue: as the 4th hyperspace dimension allows the negation of distance separation
    [10:32:34 AM] fates---: so we pull our dreams to reality
    [10:32:51 AM] Tonyblue: its perpendicular to the 3D of left-right and up-down and forwards-backwards
    [10:33:01 AM] Tonyblue: yes this is the stuff of the dreams
    [10:33:19 AM] Tonyblue: in physical reality this demands an extra dimension to 'move in'
    [10:33:43 AM] fates---: so in body they are our children, meaning angels will manifest
    [10:34:05 AM] Tonyblue: well some angels will want to be part of your new merkabah
    [10:34:10 AM] Tonyblue: as are demons
    [10:34:30 AM] Tonyblue: all angels MUST be 'married' to demons for them to participate
    [10:34:34 AM] fates---: i see, so the angels are choosing bodies
    [10:34:41 AM] Tonyblue: yes they might
    [10:34:58 AM] fates---: this is going to happen in 2012
    [10:35:11 AM] Tonyblue: old angels and demons in apartness are doomed to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone
    [10:35:29 AM] Tonyblue: well the 4th dimension will OPEN UP yes
    [10:35:52 AM] Tonyblue: what will manifest depends on what happens between July 10th, 2011 and then
    [10:37:10 AM] Tonyblue: this timeframe is unprecedented in the entire human and cosmic history
    [10:37:11 AM] fates---: so the marring of my inner angels and demons make them collect to myself
    [10:37:36 AM] Tonyblue: why so many crackpots and false redeemers are running about confusing people even more
    [10:37:43 AM] Tonyblue: yes fates
    [10:37:56 AM] Tonyblue: as you said in your post which i used
    [10:37:56 AM] fates---: yes, i became quite dillusinal myself in the process
    [10:38:26 AM] fates---: yes, that was my conclusion with the war of the meems
    [10:38:44 AM] Tonyblue: yes you have learned many things by now and are ready
    [10:38:59 AM] fates---: i would like to collect as many into myself as possible
    [10:39:12 AM] Tonyblue: i had to learn too and am ready now for the countdown
    [10:39:30 AM] Tonyblue: there are no limits
    [10:40:04 AM] fates---: yes, it defines what im supposed to be i think, this was layed out and conditioned for me
    [10:40:07 AM] Tonyblue: all memes you come across in films, books, cyberspace all are memory storable and so assimilative
    [10:40:25 AM] fates---: yes, no wonder why i own myself as soo many things
    [10:40:32 AM] Tonyblue: you have been doing this in your sexfantasies
    [10:40:37 AM] fates---: video games and movies
    [10:40:43 AM] Tonyblue: all good
    [10:41:47 AM] fates---: do you predict massive changes in the world or are things going to stay the same. economically, physically, ect
    [10:42:04 AM] fates---: will we know magika and ect
    [10:42:12 AM] fates---: just conjure money
    [10:42:17 AM] Tonyblue: perhaps 20 years are required fates to change the present human civilisation
    [10:42:17 AM] fates---: seems like a foolish idea
    [10:42:38 AM] Tonyblue: BUT some form of contact will be NECESSARY
    [10:43:02 AM] Tonyblue: airpower will become ABBA power
    [10:43:14 AM] Tonyblue: this is written
    [10:43:27 AM] Tonyblue: the old world will be Invaded
    [10:43:35 AM] Tonyblue: By Abba family
    [10:44:06 AM] Tonyblue: money will become a cosmic accreditation system
    [10:44:23 AM] fates---: like karma
    [10:44:27 AM] Tonyblue: armies will become civil rescue operations
    [10:44:44 AM] Tonyblue: jails will be opened
    [10:44:57 AM] Tonyblue: medical and educational systems will be replaced
    [10:45:31 AM] Tonyblue: politica will selftransform in a new global 'Abba party' lol
    [10:45:51 AM] Tonyblue: most will 'vote' the old BS out in the first election after contact
    [10:46:02 AM] Tonyblue: about 20 years fates i dont know details
    [10:46:46 AM] fates---: hmm interesting, on my 22nd birthday, i solved all the meemes starting with the current time and going onwards to infinity
    [10:47:07 AM] fates---: although i dont really remember it, it was a univestal test
    [10:47:20 AM] fates---: to see if i could continue to solve the meemes as they were presencted
    [10:47:29 AM] fates---: matrix senerios and ect
    [10:47:54 AM] Tonyblue: Memes will EITHER become part of Abba family OR be outcasts until they do
    [10:47:58 AM] fates---: alien assimulation, politial and socialeconomical issues
    [10:48:12 AM] fates---: very diverse topics
    [10:48:12 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:48:40 AM] Tonyblue: seems like the dragons invisible have 'prepared' you to think in certain ways
    [10:48:55 AM] fates---: it was if i was being beamed a ton of meemes and future historical events to watch and solve
    [10:49:09 AM] Tonyblue: hmm i like this
    [10:49:34 AM] Tonyblue: you might be prepared for a 'Anubian Council'
    [10:49:37 AM] fates---: i knew my memories would be locked afterwards, so i defined them as timeflowers for myself
    [10:49:44 AM] fates---: as i move forwards
    [10:49:53 AM] Tonyblue: well i cant comment
    [10:50:09 AM] Tonyblue: but it seems a Roundtable has a seat of the Elders for you
    [10:50:33 AM] Tonyblue: to help the new World in those more 'mundane' transformation agendas
    [10:50:42 AM] fates---: i was born for this, i think
    [10:50:51 AM] fates---: to be whatever i was defined to be
    [10:51:02 AM] Tonyblue: many cocreators will be required to participate in many 'Council's of the Elders'
    [10:51:19 AM] Tonyblue: as all 'politics' will become local self government basically
    [10:52:21 AM] Tonyblue: the fakes of course also have their 'councils' like the keylontians and the cassiopeians and the 'GLF' and the 'councils' of false prophets
    [10:53:04 AM] Tonyblue: Abba will also have such Elders of the Dragons agreeing on particular issues necessitated
    [10:53:49 AM] fates---: so our concil is the true council of abba, and there are no others
    [10:53:57 AM] fates---: false prophet concils
    [10:54:06 AM] Tonyblue: yes
    [10:54:32 AM] Tonyblue: but as said until the birth many 'ideas' and cosmologies are in fact on an equal footing
    [10:54:52 AM] Tonyblue: so Thuban could be a 'false prophet council' or the 'real one'
    [10:55:11 AM] Tonyblue: this ABBA, Gaia and the Logos will JUDGE not the creators of those ideas
    [10:55:37 AM] fates---: my life has been too well defined and supernatual in my conditioning for this to be false
    [10:55:42 AM] Tonyblue: I am confident that Thuban will EAT all other 'councils' lol
    [10:55:51 AM] fates---: i would persume so
    [10:56:00 AM] Tonyblue: I might be mistaken and then i would be a 'false prophet' indeed
    [10:56:11 AM] fates---: we will become the seat of power of abbas influence
    [10:56:39 AM] Tonyblue: I shall live or die with my conviction of BEING a Friend and Beloved of Abba and Gaia and the Logos
    [10:56:53 AM] fates---: i have made very certain that you are not a false prophet
    [10:57:10 AM] Tonyblue: I cannot JUDGE this however not at all!
    [10:57:21 AM] Tonyblue: thank you fates
    [10:57:45 AM] Tonyblue: this means that when i declare other councils to be false that this must be true then
    [10:57:51 AM] Tonyblue: can you see this?
    [10:57:55 AM] fates---: yes
    [10:58:06 AM] fates---: if it is in sync then i agree
    [10:58:15 AM] fates---: i am very keen on this
    [10:58:20 AM] Tonyblue: Well Anu is redeemed lol in you you have eaten the King of Nibiru
    [10:58:47 AM] Tonyblue: so you can have the last laugh about the return of the Annunaki
    [10:59:03 AM] Tonyblue: you decide what this shall be
    [10:59:04 AM] fates---: haha yes
    [10:59:13 AM] Tonyblue: not some NABS fearmongers
    [10:59:29 AM] fates---: they are in competition for roles if they truly know what they are doing
    [10:59:38 AM] Tonyblue: exactly
    [10:59:54 AM] fates---: i do not assume anything, i just echo what i am
    [11:00:02 AM] fates---: what i was conditioned to believe
    [11:00:09 AM] Tonyblue: as said you are Abba's Son
    [11:00:32 AM] Tonyblue: and Abba is the NEW all encompassing deity and the ONLY ONE
    [11:00:45 AM] Tonyblue: all other 'fathers' and gods and devils and demons are DEAD
    [11:01:04 AM] fates---: or consumed by us
    [11:01:27 AM] Tonyblue: YES if you can FEEL this you have ascended and left the Old World NOW
    [11:01:45 AM] Tonyblue: you have become a witness an observer a bystander
    [11:02:03 AM] Tonyblue: waiting for Gaia to EXECUTE her plan
    [11:02:13 AM] Tonyblue: and many many heads will roll
    [11:02:16 AM] fates---: yes, this is and has always been my mission
    [11:02:27 AM] Tonyblue: like in the guillotine of the French revolution
    [11:02:45 AM] Tonyblue: since July 10th, Logos is at WAR
    [11:02:56 AM] Tonyblue: War to the Old BS has been DECLARED
    [11:03:18 AM] Tonyblue: as you can see in certain reactions and actions of many people, even here
    [11:03:28 AM] fates---: yes definately
    [11:03:38 AM] fates---: this makes more sense ever day
    [11:03:47 AM] Tonyblue: You will FEEL an inner strength now
    [11:04:07 AM] Tonyblue: ABBA in your heart will make you invincible to the old memes
    [11:04:15 AM] fates---: yes, i feel that it has
    [11:04:31 AM] Tonyblue: Zia is likewise now she has grown as a femme with Abba in her heart
    [11:04:38 AM] fates---: i have to go eat now, my parents fixed me food
    [11:04:47 AM] Tonyblue: thanks for tis fates
    [11:05:01 AM] Tonyblue: intelligent and honourable discussion
    [11:05:02 AM] fates---: no, thank you
    [11:05:07 AM] fates---: haha very much so
    [11:05:09 AM] Tonyblue: whoever reads this will understand better
    [11:05:28 AM] Tonyblue: as it should be in a REAL Council of the Dragons
    [11:05:42 AM] fates---: yes
    [11:05:59 AM] fates---: agreed, only the logos and abba could bring about this higher dimentional thinking
    [11:06:08 AM] fates---: therefore we are who we claim to be
    [11:06:14 AM] *** Tonyblue has changed the conversation topic to "Abba's and Gaia's Family in the Words of the Logos of Love in a Council of the Dragons" ***
    [11:06:17 AM] fates---: be back in a seconc
    [11:07:17 AM] Tonyblue: I like this new name to stick it up the Khyber Pass of the many pretenders towards their demise and self destructions
    [11:09:36 AM] Tonyblue: Declaration of WW3 in memespace; July 14th, 2011 BY and in the name of ABBA and the Love Logos
    [11:10:16 AM] Tonyblue: after the completion of 3 days of spiritual darkness in the Whale of jonah as scripted and fulfilling prophecy
    [11:10:47 AM] Tonyblue: from the Birthday of the Abomination of Desolations, July 10th, 2011
    fates---
     
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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  Brook on Sat May 31, 2014 11:05 am

    [10:22:34 AM] Tonyblue: only Dragons can become immortal
    [10:23:01 AM] Tonyblue: and it does not matter if people wanna belive this or not



    Common errors in spatial analysis

    The fundamental issues in spatial analysis lead to numerous problems in analysis including bias, distortion and outright errors in the conclusions reached. These issues are often interlinked but various attempts have been made to separate out particular issues from each other.

    ~


    Standing at the crossroads, trying to read the signs
    To tell me which way I should go to find the answer.


    ~



    Here on the street of What If,  I figured it’s time to check the balance of my hard earned savings.  Around the corner is the Bank of Hopes and Dreams.  I notice there are many signs of savings and investments into that quest for freedom and utopia.  While I stand in line, I grab some brochures on the many portfolio investments available.
    To be sure the balance on my account of hope is rather low due to the current run of fear that has been projected most recently in the market trends.  If you have invested in fear, that stock has gone through the roof lately.  While you tremble in fear and wonder if you are ready, remember what goes up must come down.

    To see the rise in that stock understand the market is always effected heavily on trends.  The trend to send that stock soaring is the ever popular fear mongering and doomsday speculation.  To adhere to this statement would set such a trend.  “The Universe is so vast and we are so small, and in the blink of an eye all is gone. I guess when it comes down to it we really have no control over anything”.  Is that true?  I encourage you to look at this new stock that has finally hit the market with the meme “you create your own reality” as it’s trade signature.

    This investment trademark is rather volatile I’m afraid.  For with the rising trends of fear I would suggest taking a look at this wealth-building trade analysis.  We are born of the all that is, the great I Am, we are infinite beings.  Whether you choose to believe this or not, it is so.
    We are much larger that anything imaginable. We are light, we are energy, we are part of everything around us. We came here to create everything we can imagine. If we imagine small, then we create small. If we imagine big, then we create big. It’s bulls vs bears in this wall street of hopes and dreams.





    Quantum physics, sacred geometry, Masaru Emoto, with his  Messages from Water, have shown you that indeed we are very  large.  We Have power to create infinite. So where have we gotten the idea that we are small and have no control? Could it be Religion?
    Some religion has taught us that if we do wrong, we will go to hell. Some teach that we  reincarnate to experience, then live out past karma of things we have experienced.  Some teach of rites and rituals of ridged behavior  Most religions have a prophet, who have a knowing of the I Am.  The Dharma, the Tao, and the Lord of all Lords.  But the writings, structure, and the ever popular dogma through social conditioning to control the trend of this stock, has been that of control.  Particularly through political advancement and the creation of borders.  So where do you draw the line and say I wish to buy into this stock?  How many religious institutions have become fat and rich from the faith of the masses?  How many hold the secrets and choose not to let you invest in that knowing and truth?





    The dilemma to believe this resides within your heart.  Your center most being, that point of singularity that  I’ve been shown.  Of all these Prophets within this religious sect on the trade market, most were in touch with the I Am.  Choosing one prophet, Jesus Christ said, “He, who would know everything, but fails to know himself misses the knowledge of everything”.
    There is a message from every great prophet from the I Am and it says “knowing”! That of unlimited knowing that you are too the sons and daughters of God.  Understand you can be that “knowing” and believe that life is eternal, for you are infinite.  Know that you have the power to create, to expand and be a universe if you so choose. To experience unconditional love of all that is!  Can I get an Amen?!

    This stock will yield in the coming years for the vale is lifting and you will shed the illusion projection of self.  If you choose to call it Armageddon, so be it!  That social conditioned projected ego of self, the  Antichrist!  Know you will finally see the truth these religions and the powerful stock traders did not want you to see. That you have the power to be immortal and free. The power of Light everlasting to create Heaven on Earth.  How do you say?  Through”knowing” of the creator of all that is within yourself.


    As I leave the Bank of Hopes and Dreams, I’m ever excited at the healthy investment I made today.  I pulled funds from my savings of dreams to invest in that stock of knowing.   It will support my trip down Paradise Road with a great yield and I’m banking on that!


    Now on that fork in the road, I’ll take the advise of Eric Clapton and Let it Grow.




    Time is getting shorter and there's much for you to do.
    Only ask and you will get what you are needing,
    The rest is up to you.
    Plant your love and let it grow

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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  Brook on Sat May 31, 2014 11:41 am

    Consciousness is the state or quality of self awareness


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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  mudra on Sat May 31, 2014 3:52 pm

    Thank you for coming along friends and share your own understanding of what Consciousness is.
    It's been an interesting read.

    Brook I must say I specially enjoyed  your post ragarding which I just want to say " Thank You "   Flowers and " Yes "  Cheerful 

    David Lynch on Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2UHLMVr4vg


    What is Consciousness? | THE RABBIT HOLE with Deepak Chopra

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1ku2O_E4MM#t=170


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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  mudra on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:25 am

    Even my own body can't touch me, for it is merely an appearance on the horizon of my awareness. Dancing at the edge of my creation, it is there to let me know (feel) when my attitude and direction are in alignment with my being's true vibration.

    The body never touches me, but the body touches the body and I am aware of it. It's very intimate still, regardless of it not touching me. I touch the body though, as I with my beingness/awareness touch and create everything. None of it ever touches what I am. Semantics, but it feels more accurate to put it that way.

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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  mudra on Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:28 am

    Enjoy these . They are wonderfull  Cheerful 

    There is no Death - Luiz Gasparetto painter, Part 1[/b]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86ZLGXsJzO8


    There is no Death - Luiz Gasparetto Part Part 2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp-7EOjLd14


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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  Brook on Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:40 am

    Great video Deb.  However he's made a few contradictions in his explanations.  His "how to" get there/target (void/white room) requires..."_______"


    A tool/clue:



    In the video he says the problem is Human "Perception" in a "box"....yet at 1:20 he says:  "it's more about perception".  A contradiction in terminology?  Still a good vid overall.
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    Post  Aquaries1111 on Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:49 pm

    Thanks Brook.  I agree somewhat too.  If we take the "Void" for example, some could say that there is "no box". However, I believe we need boxes to a degree.. Look at Earth's vegetation and life force? Could this be possible without the Earth as our box?  Could we grow, explore, know and expand without the place to do so?  What is this box Buhlman talks about? Our body is it a box? Does it contain an essence which affords us to grow in consciousness? Does the Void desire a box to know itself? If we are a part of the Void, wishing to express ourselves, what box did we create to express this?  The Computer is a box and a tool for consciousness expression.  Isn't it? However, overall, Buhlman is experiencing and exploring Consciousness outside "a box", and yet, whether he knows it or not, does indeed operate within another when not primarily focused in the current box. He talks about an energetic body, which is another type of box.  We all do need a little structure and order, and a box, same as the plant in the plant pot that grows.  Could it be without the pot/box/structure?  I'm not saying we are "Potted Plants".... but, plants need something to be planted in to grow.  It just so happens the box I chose in this life form is a "body" and I am quite happy being in it... having a "home station".  The signal is transmitting.

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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  Brook on Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:59 am

    This talk may not seem related to Consciousness in the first video but watch it to hear what he says about consciousness in part 2












    btw; There was a big uproar from TED talks about his talk and book Setting Science Free being banned and reinstated  last year.


    "Accordingly, we have reposted his talk here, with the above cautionary introduction".


    http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/19/the-debate-about-rupert-sheldrakes-talk/
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    Post  Brook on Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:17 am

    "It would seem obvious that in order to evolve consciously we need to make conscious efforts. The word “conscious” refers to an individual sense of recognition of something within or without oneself. It comes from Latin "conscious": “knowing, aware”, to be awake or awakened to an inner realization of a fact and truth.


    Hence a shift or evolution of consciousness implies working towards a higher state of awareness, which means to become more aware or it all. It implies to see the world and oneself more objectively, without blinders on. This also relates to conscience. The word “conscience”, etymologically speaking, means “to know together.” It is derived from the Latin prefix "con": “together” and the Latin verb "sciere": “to know; to understand”. Therefore a development of evolution of consciousness means knowing “more together”, seeing things differently than previously known. It is about gaining knowledge of oneself and of the world in order to raise our awareness and apply knowledge through understanding. Knowledge in that sense is not merely gathering or memorizing information, but embodying it and acting on it. This doesn’t happen by itself but requires sincere and conscious work to separate truth from lies, within and without. In short, inner and outer work is required to evolve consciously in order to awaken from the somnambulistic state and hypnotic trance humanity is under."


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    Post  mudra on Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:41 pm

    YES Brook that's certainly what it is all about .
    Like a stairway from Knowing about to all Knowing as an inner realization I would say.

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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  Brook on Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:53 am



    The value of Tom's My Big TOE theory is that it is the best framework to date of how our reality works, and that it is inclusive of everyone.

    The fundamental truths are there for both theist and atheist to agree on as well as scientist, "paranormal" researcher, prophet and philosopher.

    They all have a piece of the puzzle and they can all be right.

    Historically, there have been isolated "bubbles of enlightenment". Modern technology has given us the means of mass communication, such as the internet, to share ideas and move forward in our understanding and evolution.

    The next step?

    http://www.mybigTOE.com Tom's website

    https://www.brucelipton.com/ Dr Bruce Lipton
    http://www.sheldrake.org/ Dr Rupert Sheldrake
    http://www.deanradin.com/ Dr Dean Radin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM4sl... Tom's speech at the One World Family Conference in Stuttgart, Germany. (in English)
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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  mudra on Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:17 pm

    Gregor's talk at the BreakThrough Energy Movement last year.
    It's mainly about Free Energy with a lovely insight on Consciousness ( around 12:0) nonetheless which deserved to be heard.

    2013 GlobalBEM Day 2 Tent 2 Livestream - Gregor Arturo Clary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIJODyHZVR0#t=167


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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  shiloh on Tue Jul 15, 2014 4:09 am

    The Protoverse within the Multiverse within the Omniverse and the Cosmic Generations

    ...

    This then shows, that you are living within a Mother Black Hole, you choose to call the universe you reside in. This your 'World of Mother Nature' had a beginning in space and in time in the creation of the same. Your universe so EMERGED from a prior state of beingness, where there was no space and no time as defined in any arbitrary model terrestrial or extraterrestrial. This prior state of existence you can term either as a Eternal state of all consciousness or as a state of the non-spacial and non-temporal Void as a quasi state of 'nothingness'.
     
    This, your observed universe so came into existence in using particular initial- and boundary conditions, which became requirements for space and time measurements to become possible. You may call this a relativistic metric spacetime continuum of discretization in minimum-maximum modular membrane duality however unified in the field properties of the dyadic monadicity of this string duality.
     
    The size of your universe and its energy, then became defined in those boundary conditions and particularly in a 'Daughter Black Hole' being born from the womb of its 'Mother Black Hole'. Mathematical proportionalities then aligned the masses and the scales of Mother and Daughter as the initial hyperacceleration or inflationary tachyonic phase transition of the initializing wormhole singularity of Abba, the Little Serpent to the Unified Field parameters of the thermodynamic classically relativistic expansion of the universe.
    The 'daughter' became the seed within the 'mother' for the Protoverse and the Seedling Universe for all generations of universes, whose interaction would allow phaseshifted multiverses to become born from the original protoverse, albeit encompassed by the omniverse of AbbaBaab.

     
    As one cycle of the 'Mother's Heartbeat' requires about two times 16.9 Billion years or so 33.8 Billion years to complete its integral n-cyclicity; the lower dimensional universe evolves both within its 10-dimensional string timespace and its 11-dimensional membrane timespace.
    The 10-D evolution of the cosmos so allows the 'mother' to birth its 'daughter' , when the lightspeed restricted thermodynamic universal expansion has completed its first cyclicity for n=1 so 2.2 Billion years ago and synchronizing the becoming of 'selfaware' of the 'life potential' residing within the womb of the 'mother'.
    2.2 Billion years ago then, the original 'light ray of Creator Abba' 'caught up' and reached its 11-D Mirror Boundary of the 'Cosmic Mother' from its 10-D Wormhole timespace quantum singularity or source point.

     
    This 'signal then both reflected back into the INSIDE of the 11-D Membrane-Womb of the 'mother' and refracted OUTSIDE in extending its own boundary set by the hyperacceleration of the de Broglien inflationary phase transition.
     
    Every cycle count then increases the scale of the wormhole 'White Hole Father Source' in the same proportion the 'Mother Black Hole Mother Sink' decreases, until after 234.5 cycles or about 4,000 Billion years the original Mother-Daughter scale proportionality resets itself in reseeding the then populated omniverse in terms of the spacetime quanta count fractalized by and in the definition of the Abba-Baab Little Serpent Father -Big Dragon Mother itself.
     
    For about 2 trillion years, the Omniverse as 'The Universal Bodywave' is INHALING or 'breathing in' analogous to 'feeding or charging' a battery or some body requiring energy. Then for another 2 trillion years the omniverse is EXHALING or 'breathing out' in analogy to a 'battery discharging' or a 'fed body' 'burning its stored energy'.
     
    The Omniverse after 4 trillion years so completes its asymptotic evolution with respect to its initial conception or insemination of the 10-D Daughter reaching maturity as her own 11-D Mother. The defining proportionality parameters of the scales and energy distributions for cycle parameter n=1 then transfer to a new initializing value at n=234.5 to redefine the maximum masses and sizes for the 'New GrandMother Black Hole' attaining the now evolved 'Infinity Mass' n.M and a 'New Mother Black Hole' n.Mo and so for the 'Old Mother' graduating to become a 'Mother of Mothers' and the 'Old Daughter' graduating to be a 'Mother of Daughters'.
     
    This then defines the 'Generation Cycle Parameter' for the Omniversal Self-Reproduction in the 'Family of Abba the Little Serpent Creator Fatherhood' and Baab the Great Dragon Creation Motherhood in AbbaBaab the Cosmic Twin of SourceSink and White Hole CreatorCreation entwined with itself as a Black Hole CreationCreator.
     
    The Cyclic Universe, so 'rebangs' itself every 4 Trillion years or so to ensure its continuation of selfexploration and by interdimensional civilisations defined in multiverses, each of which is required to be seeded in a prototypical template universe as mirror holofractal of itself.

    The gravitational constancy of Gomc²=1.094446..x10-64 Nm² will then be effected by a very small Gav=GoXn~1.463x10-105 G-units, but compensated with a 'mass-evolved' universe with mcYn~7.535..x1067 kg* and where this 'evolution' energy can be physically modelled as 'cosmic consciousness' defined in the 'awareness' df/dt minimised in fmin² and maximised in fmax² and as a form of radial displacement independent angular acceleration acting on spacetime volumars defined in the classical electron diameter (2Re) times c² defining the magnetocharge e* as inversion of the Big Bang base parameter of the wormhole energy quantum Emax=1/e*=1/2Rec² for a Planck Constant finestructure h=λmin/e*c.
    This "Strominger brane' evolution avoids the so called 'heat death' of the universe in a form of 'recharging' and coincides with the projected 'running out' of stellar nuclear fuel of the transformation of the elements within stars in the stellar evolution scenarios.

    The entire cosmology is underpinned by a Black Hole evolution, which incorporates the quantum geometric microcosmos and the geometric relativistic macrocosmos simultaneously - all for the 'cosmic purpose' to manifest 'evolved mass' as 'consciousness' or 'dark light' or antiradiation.

    The many string parameters indicated give then A RIGOROUS SCIENTIFIC DEFINITION for the concept of GOD as a supermembrane, eternally (meaning asymptotically approaching unity in linear time) ENTWINED in a lower-dimensional coupling with the ANTIGOD.
    Besides this PHYSICAL GOD-ANTIGOD Duality, there also exists the metaphysical and PURELY IMAGINARY GOD in Exile.

    This metaphysical-mathematical GOD in Exile is the Oneness of all of you and all of your ancestors and of all of your linear descendants.
    One day, you all shall become more aware of this scientific fact - your exile is the exile of your imaginary energies unrealised in divers forms.
     
    Abraxasinas de Thuban
     
    http://www.cosmosdawn.net/forum/index.php?threads/the-universe-as-a-protoversal-seed-for-multiverses-within-an-omniverse.155/#post-749
     
    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t6780p45-the-legacy-of-thuban-omni-science-de-alpha-draconis-omega#104829
    http://www.birthofgaia.com/t254p45-the-legacy-of-thuban-omni-science-de-alpha-draconis-omega#3671
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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  mudra on Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:19 pm

    shiloh wrote:
    This metaphysical-mathematical GOD in Exile is the Oneness of all of you and all of your ancestors and of all of your linear descendants.
    One day, you all shall become more aware of this scientific fact - your exile is the exile of your imaginary energies unrealised in divers forms.
     
    Abraxasinas de Thuban
     

    And that's where the muse kicks in .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4O3U220GE


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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  Aquaries1111 on Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:48 pm

    ThanX for that Mudra.

    I don't like the word "exhile(d)". We are reaching for the Exalted Self. A self that is All Knowing. Santos Bonacci explains Higher Mind vs Lower Mind very well. The Michelango picture where the two pointed fingers are touching is resemblance of Higher Mind reaching for Lower Mind. Cerebellum (lower Taurus Mind) reaching for Cerebrum (Divine Bull). I quite like the Analogy. Don't you? It paints beautiful visuals in the Minds' Eye... Eye.

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    Post  mudra on Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:36 am

    Aquaries1111 wrote:ThanX for that Mudra.

    I don't like the word "exhile(d)". We are reaching for the Exalted Self. A self that is All Knowing. Santos Bonacci explains Higher Mind vs Lower Mind very well.  The Michelango picture where the two pointed fingers are touching is resemblance of Higher Mind reaching for Lower Mind. Cerebellum (lower Taurus Mind) reaching for Cerebrum (Divine Bull). I quite like the Analogy. Don't you? It paints beautiful visuals in the Minds' Eye... Eye.


    Very nice video Aquaries. I like the idea of reaching the Exalted Self . Nice image :)

    In matters of Spirituality or whatever people care to write about this subject I have a habit of not taking anyone's words literally. Rather to me everyone of these are metaphores. And sometimes , a special kind of music too , that is happy to play on the strings of my consciousness finding an echo there as the Heart smiles.

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    Post  Sanicle on Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:50 am

    mudra wrote:In matters of Spirituality or whatever people care to write about this subject I have a habit of not taking anyone's words literally. Rather to me everyone of these are metaphores. And sometimes , a special kind of music too , that is happy to play on the strings of my consciousness finding an echo there as the Heart smiles.

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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  mudra on Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:20 pm

    Perception .. who is the perceiver ?

    Perception - The reality beyond matter

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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  mudra on Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:54 pm

    Michael Persinger on No More Secrets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l6VPpDublg


    Big Ideas presents Michael Persinger, winner of the 2007 Best Lecturer Competition, on Just Suppose You Could Know What Others Are Thinking: No More Secrets

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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  mudra on Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:45 pm

    Practical Spirituality For Our Times with Jim Porter - 09-03-2014

    This interview on "The Exploration of Consciousness" features Jim Porter, a former employee of the University of Science and Philosophy who knew and worked with Lao Russell. We'll discuss illumination, the Russell's works, defending yourself with practical spirituality and pragmatism, and solutions to the world crisis among other topics. I also give my view at the beginning of this show on the idea of Ar-CONS and the so-called inter-dimensional entities plaguing mankind which are extended from the beliefs in Devil's and demons found throughout the world.

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    Re: What Is Consciousness?

    Post  mudra on Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:23 am

    From Existence to Life :The Science of Self-consciousness (1916) by James Porter Mills

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