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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:37 pm

    I continue to be skeptical of both Belief and Unbelief. Perhaps the Anglican Agnostics have it right. They adhere to a form of Roman Catholicism -- after giving it the Reformation-Treatment -- yet they continue to question everything -- while continuing to attend church on a regular basis. How do we achieve a Common-Denominator of Unity -- While Preserving Responsible-Freedom and Respectful-Inquiry??? So, what do you think about a focus on the 'Federalist Papers' and the '1928 Book of Common Prayer' -- which pulls everything into this particular orbit -- employing what I refer to as 'Comprehensive Concentration'??? You know -- Devotionally Studying the 'Federalist Papers' and the '1928 Book of Common Prayer' while Studying Life, the Universe, and Everything in a Scholarly Manner -- Preferably While Listening to Sacred Classical Music. Just a Thought. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWiFcsBqIE

    The First Sunday after Christmas Day.

    The Collect.

    ALMIGHTY God, who hast given us thy only-begotten
    Son to take our nature upon him, and as at this time
    to be born of a pure virgin; Grant that we being regenerate,
    and made thy children by adoption and grace, may
    daily be renewed by thy Holy Spirit; through the same our
    Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with thee and
    the same Spirit ever, one God, world without end. Amen.

    The Epistle. Galatians iv. 1.

    NOW I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth
    nothing from a servant, though he be lord of
    all; but is under tutors and governors until the time appointed
    of the father. Even so we, when we were children,
    were in bondage under the elements of the world: but when
    the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
    made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them
    that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption
    of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth
    the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
    Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son,
    then an heir of God through Christ.

    The Gospel. St. Matthew i. 18.

    THE birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as
    his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they
    came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
    Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing
    to make her a publick example, was minded to put her
    away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold,
    the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying,
    Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee
    Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the
    Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt
    call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from
    their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled
    which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold,
    a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a
    son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being
    interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from
    sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took
    unto him his wife: and knew her not till she had brought
    forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

    The Circumcision of Christ.

    The Collect.

    ALMIGHTY God, who madest thy blessed Son to be
    circumcised, and obedient to the law for man; Grant
    us the true circumcision of the Spirit; that, our hearts, and
    all our members, being mortified from all worldly and carnal
    lusts, we may in all things obey thy blessed will; through
    the same thy Son Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

    The Epistle. Philippians ii. 9.

    GOD also hath highly exalted him, and given him a
    name which is above every name: that at the name
    of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and
    things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every
    tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory
    of God the Father. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always
    obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much
    more in my absence, work out your own salvation with
    fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you
    both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    The Gospel. St. Luke ii. 15.

    AND it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from
    them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another,
    Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing
    which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known
    unto us. And they came with haste, and found Mary, and
    Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger. And when they
    had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was
    told them concerning this child. And all they that heard it
    wondered at those things which were told them by the
    shepherds. But Mary kept all these things, and pondered
    them in her heart. And the shepherds returned, glorifying
    and praising God for all the things that they had heard and
    seen, as it was told unto them. And when eight days were
    accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name
    was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before
    he was conceived in the womb.

    The Second Sunday after Christmas Day.

    The Collect.

    ALMIGHTY God, who hast poured upon us the new
    light of thine incarnate Word; Grant that the same
    light enkindled in our hearts may shine forth in our lives;
    through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

    For the Epistle . Isaiah lxi. 1.

    THE Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the
    LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto
    the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
    to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the
    prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the acceptable
    year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to
    comfort all that mourn; to appoint unto them that mourn
    in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy
    for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
    that they might be called trees of righteousness, the
    plant-ing of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

    The Gospel. St. Matthew ii. 19.

    WHEN Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord
    appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying,
    Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into
    the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young
    child’s life. And he arose, and took the young child and
    his mother, and came into the land of Israel. But when he
    heard that Archelaus did reign in Judæa in the room of his
    father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding,
    being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the
    parts of Galilee: and he came and dwelt in a city called
    Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by
    the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

    EPIPHANY SEASON.

    The Epiphany, or the Manifestation of
    Christ to the Gentiles.

    The Collect.

    O GOD, who by the leading of a star didst manifest thy
    only-begotten Son to the Gentiles; Mercifully grant
    that we, who know thee now by faith, may after this life
    have the fruition of thy glorious Godhead; through the
    same thy Son Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

    ¶ This Collect is to be said daily throughout the Octave

    The Epistle. Ephesians iii. 1.

    FOR this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for
    you Gentiles, if ye have heard of the dispensation
    of the grace of God, which is given me to you-ward: how
    that by revela-tion he made known unto me the mystery;
    (as I wrote afore in few words, whereby, when ye read, ye
    may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
    which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of
    men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets
    by the Spirit; that the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs,
    and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ
    by the gospel: whereof I was made a minister, according to
    the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual
    working of his power. Unto me, who am less than the least
    of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among
    the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; and to make
    all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which
    from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who
    created all things by Jesus Christ: to the intent that now
    unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might
    be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, according
    to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ
    Jesus our Lord: in whom we have boldness and access with
    confidence by the faith of him.

    The Gospel. St. Matthew ii. 1.

    WHEN Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judæa, in the
    days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise
    men from the east to Jerusalem, saying, Where is he that is
    born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east,
    and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had
    heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with
    him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and
    scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where
    Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem
    of Judæa: for thus it is written by the prophet, And
    thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among
    the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor,
    that shall rule my people Israel. Then Herod, when he had
    privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently
    what time the star appeared. And he sent them to Bethlehem,
    and said, Go and search diligently for the young child;
    and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that
    I may come and worship him also. When they had heard
    the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw
    in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over
    where the young child was. When they saw the star, they
    rejoiced with exceeding great joy. And when they were
    come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary
    his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when
    they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him
    gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. And being warned
    of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod,
    they depart-ed into their own country another way.

    ¶ The same Epistle and Gospel shall serve unto the next Sunday.

    The First Sunday after the Epiphany.

    The Collect.

    O LORD, we beseech thee mercifully to receive the
    prayers of thy people who call upon thee; and grant
    that they may both perceive and know what things they
    ought to do, and also may have grace and power faithfully
    to fulfil the same; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

    The 1st Sunday after Epiphany

    The Epistle. Romans xii. 1.

    I BESEECH you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of
    God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy,
    acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And
    be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by
    the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that
    good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say,
    through the grace given unto me, to every man that is
    among you, not to think of himself more highly than he
    ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath
    dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have
    many members in one body, and all members have not the
    same office: so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and
    every one members one of another.

    The Gospel. St. Luke ii. 41.

    NOW his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the
    feast of the passover. And when he was twelve years
    old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
    And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned,
    the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph
    and his mother knew not of it. But they, supposing him to
    have been in the company, went a day’s journey; and they
    sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. And
    when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem,
    seeking him. And it came to pass, that after three
    days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of
    the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
    And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding
    and answers. And when they saw him, they were
    amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou
    thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought
    thee sorrowing. And he said unto them, How is it that ye
    sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s
    business? And they understood not the saying which he
    spake unto them. And he went down with them, and came
    to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother
    kept all these sayings in her heart. And Jesus increased in
    wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

    The Second Sunday after the Epiphany.

    The Collect.

    ALMIGHTY and everlasting God, who dost govern all
    things in heaven and earth; Mercifully hear the supplications
    of thy people, and grant us thy peace all the
    days of our life; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

    The Epistle. Romans xii. 6.

    HAVING then gifts differing according to the grace that
    is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according
    to the proportion of faith; or ministry, let us wait
    on our ministering; or he that teacheth, on teaching; or he
    that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it
    with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth
    mercy, with cheerfulness. Let love be without dissimulation.
    Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is
    good. Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly
    love; in honour preferring one another; not slothful in business;
    fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; rejoicing in hope;
    patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; distributing
    to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. Bless
    them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Rejoice
    with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
    Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high
    things, but condescend to men of low estate.

    The Gospel. S t. Mark i. 1.

    THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of
    God; as it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send
    my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way
    before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare
    ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John
    did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance
    for the remission of sins. And there went out
    unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and
    were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing
    their sins. And John was clothed with camel’s hair, and with
    a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and
    wild honey; and preached, saying, There cometh one mightier
    than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not
    worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized
    you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy
    Ghost. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came
    from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
    And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw
    the heavens opened, and the Spirit, like a dove, descending
    upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying,
    Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    The Third Sunday after the Epiphany.

    The Collect.

    ALMIGHTY and everlasting God, mercifully look upon
    our infirmities, and in all our dangers and necessities
    stretch forth thy right hand to help and defend us; through
    Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

    The Epistle. Romans xii. 16.

    BE not wise in your own conceits. Recompense to no
    man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of
    all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably
    with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves,
    but rather give place unto wrath: for it is writ-ten, Vengeance
    is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if
    thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink:
    for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be
    not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

    The Gospel. St. John ii. 1.

    AND the third day there was a marriage in Cana of
    Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: and both
    Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And
    when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto
    him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman,
    what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
    His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith
    unto you, do it. And there were set there six water-pots of
    stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing
    two or three firkins apiece. Jesus saith unto them,
    Fill the water-pots with water. And they filled them up to
    the brim. And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear
    unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. When the
    ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine,
    and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew
    the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
    and saith unto him, Every man at the beginning
    doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk,
    then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine
    until now. This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of
    Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples
    believed on him.

    The Fourth Sunday after Epiphany.

    The Collect.

    O GOD, who knowest us to be set in the midst of so
    many and great dangers, that by reason of the frailty
    of our nature we cannot always stand upright; Grant to us
    such strength and protection, as may support us in all dangers,
    and carry us through all temptations; through Jesus
    Christ our Lord. Amen.

    The Epistle. Romans xiii. 1.

    LET every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For
    there is no power but of God: the powers that be are
    ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power,
    resisteth the ordinance of God; and they that resist shall receive
    to themselves condemnation. For rulers are not a
    terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be
    afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt
    have praise of the same: for he is the minister of God to
    thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid;
    for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister
    of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth
    evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for
    wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay
    ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually
    upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their
    dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom;
    fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

    The Gospel. St. Matthew viii. 1.

    WHEN he was come down from the mountain, great
    multitudes followed him. And, behold, there came a
    leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou
    canst make me clean. And Jesus put forth his hand, and
    touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately
    his leprosy was cleansed. And Jesus saith unto him,
    See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the
    priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony
    unto them. And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum,
    there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
    and saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy,
    grievously tormented. And Jesus saith unto him, I will come
    and heal him. The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am
    not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but
    speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. For I
    am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I
    say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come,
    and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth
    it. When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that
    followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great
    faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, that many shall
    come from the east and west, and shall sit down with
    Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
    But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer
    darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And
    Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou
    hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was
    healed in the selfsame hour.

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    Re: The Devil

    Post  magamud on Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:59 pm

    How do we achieve a Common-Denominator of Unity
    Knowing the Father and his plan will bring about this...

    While Preserving Responsible-Freedom and Respectful-Inquiry?
    The Word will speak for itself. The freedom to choose is always there as your a sovereign soul. I am here to just point the way while I can and let you know time is a factor as a season comes and goes...

    employing what I refer to as 'Comprehensive Concentration'?
    Gods works are everywhere and the things you speak of will bring you to the door I am pointing at. Everything comes from him, so the idea is to know him.

    Godspeed Ortho and thanks for the awesome music...
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    Re: The Devil

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:14 pm

    magamud wrote:
    How do we achieve a Common-Denominator of Unity
    Knowing the Father and his plan will bring about this...

    While Preserving Responsible-Freedom and Respectful-Inquiry?
    The Word will speak for itself. The freedom to choose is always there as your a sovereign soul. I am here to just point the way while I can and let you know time is a factor as a season comes and goes...

    employing what I refer to as 'Comprehensive Concentration'?
    Gods works are everywhere and the things you speak of will bring you to the door I am pointing at. Everything comes from him, so the idea is to know him.

    Godspeed Ortho and thanks for the awesome music...
    Where and how is one to find and know the Father? What does the Father look like? Where does the Father live? Is the Father in favor of the continued existence of Male and Female Human Physicality? Does the Father favor Responsible-Freedom? Does the Father favor a Primarily-Human United States of the Solar System? What race is the Father -- spiritually and physically? Does the Father love, or hate, the Son? I keep seeing and hearing Mumo-Jumbo without honesty and clarity -- and this deeply frightens me. Humanity really seems to be on the Brink of Extinction -- as Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God. What REALLY scares me is the thought that we might very well deserve torture and extermination. Is the Father a Non-Human God and a Human Satan?? Is Jesus (the Son) a Human God and a Non-Human Satan?? I see both God and Satan in Nature. Nature can be a Real Mother. I keep getting the sinking feeling that We Stupid Humans are NOT supposed to know this and that about this and that -- but yet, in the final analysis (in the Final Judgment) we will be found guilty as charged -- and that there is no possible way to NOT be found guilty. I keep getting the feeling that we were guilty of Rebellion, the Original Sin, and the Unpardonable Sin -- from the moment of the creation of Male and Female Human Physicality. I SO hope that I'm wrong about all of this. I have found it necessary to be VERY open and honest regarding this subject -- even though I HATE doing it. I Seem to be Doubly Damning My Soul to Get At the Truth.
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    Re: The Devil

    Post  magamud on Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:07 pm

    Where and how is one to find and know the Father?
    He is a narrative in your mind Ortho. You have to remember. Ask and you shall receive..

    What does the Father look like?
    He is unseen except through the Holy spirit or his Son.

    Is the Father in favor of the continued existence of Male and Female Human Physicality?
    Yes through that dynamic we can physically create, love, worship etc...

    Does the Father favor Responsible-Freedom?
    Absolutely, he loves sovereignty and responsibility.

    Does the Father favor a Primarily-Human United States of the Solar System?
    From his wisdom is an Army of beings that follow him, which arises his kingdom.

    Does the Father love, or hate, the Son?
    He is like any father would be with his children Ortho.

    as Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.
    This is a corruption of his word used by the Devil and people who need extremes to be responsible. From my pov imho that is not to say there is not a lot at stake!

    What REALLY scares me is the thought that we might very well deserve torture and extermination
    Ortho, we are going through a maturation of awareness and a responsibility of choice. Look to the analogy of the seeds in the Garden with the Gospel.

    Is the Father a Non-Human God and a Human Satan?
    The Father is a consciousness, a force, a power. The same is with Satan, except I believe he is drawn out in the end times to have physicality, to be exposed for who he is...
    The Son is the physicalized manifestation of the Father.

    Nature can be a Real Mother.
    This is the female side in architecture as you stated. Prana or mana is this. The Devil treats this aspect like a Harlot...

    were guilty of Rebellion,
    Ortho this is not an easy part of maturation. The Devil is a real arse and uses all his power to keep us in his world. Also we have to go through this to grow. I would compare it to a seed climbing up the soil searching for the Light.... Is this bad? The Devil wants souls to reject gods plans and choose his, so as to why most people have the projection of Brimstone and Fire.

    I SO hope that I'm wrong about all of this
    See you do know the architecture of his workings Ortho, you just are missing the Heart of it.....

    Godspeed....




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    Re: The Devil

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:29 pm

    Thank-you magamud. What part of the heart of it am I missing?? I always seem to be a penny-short and a day-late.
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    Re: The Devil

    Post  magamud on Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:18 am

    You are missing how God loves you....
    There is no money involved and you seem to be right on time to me....
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    Re: The Devil

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:48 am

    I just keep thinking that there is a level of political and theological discussion regarding Earth, the Solar System, the Galaxy, and the Universe which occurs behind closed doors, with the best scholars, with no minutes or recordings -- which REALLY gets at the truth of the matter. Love can mean a lot of things. One can 'love' someone who they are severely punishing and/or executing. I am considering some very complex and upsetting ideas regarding 'God' -- which are admittedly serious heresy. I'd be fired by ANY religious institution in a matter of hours (if not minutes). I think I could've been a fantastic SDA pastor. I think I could've been a terrific Crystal Cathedral associate minister or musician(if I were Dutch!). "If you ain't Dutch -- you ain't much!!" But I got disillusioned -- and I lost my way. On the other hand -- can one really be a successful clergyperson or politician without being a really skilled liar??? Think about it -- and be honest. It seemed to me that one basically had to learn to take orders and lie -- rather than honestly blurting out the truth. It seemed to me that if one told the truth -- REALLY told the truth -- that all hell would break loose at the next board-meeting. Tithes and Offerings would vanish. Relocations or Firings would occur. One might even be Defrocked or Excommunicated. I guess I'm leaning toward Liturgical-Discipline rather than Doctrinal-Discipline. Again, I am very suspicious of both Humanity and Divinity these days -- and I quite despise myself. I continue to imagine my Soul surrounded by Humanity, Divinity, and Myself -- and fighting all three. I seem to be at war with Humanity, Divinity, and Myself -- with No End in Sight. I think the real truth is hidden -- and I think the real truth is really bad and ugly. So, I think love might've existed in the past -- but I'm not so sure about now. I'm feeling no love.


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    Re: The Devil

    Post  magamud on Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:30 am

    I just keep thinking that there is a level of political and theological discussion
    Im sure this is true Ortho, but the Heart of the matter is the center of all things.

    One can 'love' someone who they are severely punishing and/or executing
    Yes no doubt. I use this reference with the love religions who don't follow this narrative. A devils paradise, those who love his creation.

    I'd be fired by ANY religious institution
    I agree...

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    Re: The Devil

    Post  magamud on Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:52 am

    What is the Solution?


    They are many different levels to this. First of all, if we knew who we really are in space/time or shall we say consciousness we would change our direction in society instantly.
    The main part of the lying and manipulating is to keep us away from our true identities. Its a simple schematic in electrical workings. The problem of course is this existence contains an esoteric state of being. Not that as a society we have not developed esoteric thought, it is just out of balance. Either to much or to little. And it appears reason will not reboot the system, only miracles that can penetrate this very dense perception of our peoples in a consistent nature I presume. The bible coincidentally tells of this dilemma and from that tale no outside help will be given, it is in our hands.

    My experience thus far tells me we are way, way off course, not just our consequences, but how we perceive the world. So with this in mind even if we could understand psychopathy, tag and bag them we would still be perceiving the world at its core essence wrongly. This would just form some other demon to hide and disguise itself as we further try to create our destruction to wake ourselves up.

    There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth....

    Unfortunately it appears no one can be told what the nature of our identity in space really is, you have to experience it for yourself.
    And as far as I know I do not have a red pill for this.

    Plenty of blue ones to go around and my posts do have plenty of flags on land mines....
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    Re: The Devil

    Post  magamud on Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:38 pm

    A possible tell to the devil...

    You are connected to source, the father, god, etc..
    This source manifests in flesh and blood which is the Son. The Son is like you and me friends. This is the architecture of consciousness and its a planar system. This is not a paradox.

    The Devil works from a hierarchal system. He must be the intermediary to source or he will say that he is there by chance.

    So, just ask the Master from where they come from....
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    Post  devakas on Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:33 pm

    magamud wrote:A possible tell to the devil...

    You are connected to source, the father, god, etc..
    This source manifests in flesh and blood which is the Son. The Son is like you and me friends. This is the architecture of consciousness and its a planar system. This is not a paradox.

    The Devil works from a hierarchal system. He must be the intermediary to source or he will say that he is there by chance.

    So, just ask the Master from where they come from....

    This source manifests in flesh and blood which is the Son.
    yes , yes
    but the sad part is that some are eating this flesh, or you think cows do not have soul?
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    Post  magamud on Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:27 pm

    Everything has soul Dev.
    I don't have a simple answer, but to give your pov some contrast.

    Eden provides us with life and we should be thankful.
    We have lost our way and are out of balance.
    Our consumption of Eden is equal to treating it like a Harlot.

    Saving animals is a good start, but your soul is worth much much more...
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    Post  devakas on Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:52 pm

    magamud wrote:Everything has soul Dev.
    I don't have a simple answer, sad Crying or Very sad

    but to give your pov some contrast.
    Eden provides us with life and we should be thankful. yes We have lost our way and are out of balance. i do not understand this at all.
    Our consumption of Eden is equal to treating it like a Harlot. yes humans are in complete blind lust. they do not know true happiness.
    Saving animals is a good start do you realy think so or still doubting?,
    but your soul is worth much much more... oh no still doubting, no, soul is soul, it is illusion to think and propagate the demonic way, not good!!!! very bad!!!!! you should stop some day. you were wrong when you stated individual first. You should define better what is individual, we have very bad individuals too. so?

    magamud look this talent Wink
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    Post  magamud on Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:14 pm

    Your answers seem mechanical, programmed and out of balance Dev. Over compensation to prove your righteousness? Or more to a victim of the Duality religion?

    Where o where is your open mindedness?

    Shall you give another example of an animal behaving as a human?
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    Post  devakas on Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:25 pm

    magamud wrote:Your answers seem mechanical, programmed and out of balance Dev. everybody would like to know your balance, any clue? Over compensation to prove your righteousness? Or more to a victim of the Duality religion?
    you should explain better Duality religion, you should explain you Individual First statement.

    Where o where is your open mindedness? fanatics fail to see

    Shall you give another example of an animal behaving as a human? fanatics fail to see
    they even fail to see humans behaving as animals. because they are fanatics and very open minded to their own individual fanatism
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    Post  magamud on Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:34 pm

    everybody would like to know your balance, any clue?
    Is this question for you or me Dev? And I would ask the question myself, rather then speak for others.

    you should explain better Duality religion, you should explain you Individual First statement.
    Do you not follow the Duality religion? krishna?
    And my statements describe my Theology.
    A good one is the first post of this day..

    fanatics fail to see
    I agree....

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    Post  devakas on Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:46 pm

    magamud wrote:
    everybody would like to know your balance, any clue?
    Is this question for you or me Dev.

    you should explain better Duality religion, you should explain you Individual First statement.
    Do you not follow the Duality religion? krishna?
    And my statements describe my Theology.

    fanatics fail to see
    I agree....


    your statements? Your individual statements? in balance statements? you have your own individual Theology?
    hope you are only one on this planet, no more individual theologies please
    or my english is getting worse
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    Re: The Devil

    Post  magamud on Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:55 pm

    The Devil points to the world as a mystery rather then pointing to it as the individual Father.
    We have forgotten how this dynamic works and then project our abominations to not understand it...

    Road to Emmaus appearance
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_to_Emmaus_appearance

    The Road to Emmaus appearance refers to one of the early resurrection appearances of Jesus after his crucifixion and the discovery of the empty tomb.
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    Post  magamud on Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:04 pm

    you have your own individual Theology?
    Its interesting that you would feel excluded from this. To the point of arrogance using your "We" to stamp confidence. A tell of your Empire and its conglomerate and a tell of emotional manipulation in Esoterica. I appreciate your discussion with this Dev.

    I think it pertains to wisdom and application of self. The collective or the individual?

    We are all unique and have a responsibility to find our own connection. This is sovereignty!

    The Duality religion is opposite of this, so take heed...
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    Post  magamud on Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:16 pm

    For more context on this very elusive duality religion, please see my Lotus Eater thread.

    http://hm.dinofly.com/UP/forum/viewtopic.php?p=305#p305
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    Post  devakas on Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:08 pm

    thanks for showing magamud your own individual 'theology', or 'research', yours?
    (I know Parasites is harsh but im in the case of being safe rather then sorry)

    try to learn instead of assuming things. Assumed things are not facts. your logic will take you far off.. and it did in your blog...

    maybe to teach people stop slaughtershouses would realy help people to stop violence. What do you think? Then kids would have better questions to ask, for example 'what God is doing now?'

    I am thinking now why Vedas were easer to understand for Albert Einstein, but some are blocked to understand and they start their own research against Vedas in Sanskrit. hmmm hmmm scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch scratch there is some difference between individuals. I think it requires something to understand Vedas.







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    Re: The Devil

    Post  devakas on Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:28 pm

    magamud wrote:
    you have your own individual Theology?
    Its interesting that you would feel excluded from this. To the point of arrogance using your "We" to stamp confidence. A tell of your Empire and its conglomerate and a tell of emotional manipulation in Esoterica. I appreciate your discussion with this Dev.

    I think it pertains to wisdom and application of self. The collective or the individual?

    We are all unique and have a responsibility to find our own connection. This is sovereignty!
    but if we eat others, animals, this connection will not be granted. It stays animal sovereignty thats all. You can add to your blogs as human nasty duality individual religion in their unique heart.
    The Duality religion is opposite of this, so take heed...

    megamud, you know a bit and without going deep and understanding it you start war. Why? Why not understand.
    Why I talk to you because you are right, God is One and no second. He is a person. Krist was realized soul and very much respected by wisest advanced scholars of Vedic teachings (left from ages and ages to us). Krist knew our Father, He taught that we are all souls, not from matter. There is no conflict. However the violence started when iron age started. Buddha came to stop the violence. You are very very wrong calling it duality religion. Those who are controled by external energies they were taught to calm down and look at inner energies, those from God, to find peace and connection with Him. Without knowing or studying you will start to assume and here starts problem. But God stated not to lie to others, this is really bad sin. think about it.
    i will leave you to do more research and God bless you. Try not to assume, but know. cheers.
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    Post  magamud on Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:14 pm

    megamud, you know a bit and without going deep and understanding it you start war. Why? Why not understand.

    I am holding a mirror up to you Devakas...

    He taught that we are all souls, not from matter. There is no conflict.
    This is backwards in application Dev...

    However the violence started when iron age started. Buddha came to stop the violence.
    This has no relation to your God. Men have always stood against Tyranny. Buddha was a man...

    look at inner energies, those from God, to find peace and connection with Him
    This is a lie. He is no god and he is using Godhead to fool you into his delusion.

    Without knowing or studying
    A child could know god. So where does your study go? You use this as a way to separate yourself form the truth.

    But God stated not to lie to others, this is really bad sin. think about it.
    Think upon what I have said and look upon your statement friend....

    Try not to assume, but know
    Try to assume and not know...
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    Post  devakas on Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:31 pm

    magamud, please explain your God, please tell your God name. You told that you know God mind, you told that God has evil in mind. Then I said is your god has cancer? Remember?

    Please describe your God.
    please explain this:

    "This is backwards in application Dev..."

    Thank you
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    Post  magamud on Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:35 pm

    Please describe your God. Thank you

    Again we are backwards in application Dev.
    I have been nothing but, describing my God.

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