I've not left the building, I am just somewhat limited in my "forum" time. I did go on the Atticus forum to see what all the fuss was about, as usual with internet big deals, not a lot.

I have been through a lot in life, and have very thick skin, and am fully aware of how things work on forums and am familiar with a lot of the people who, like me, are on several forums.The difference is I use different names for confidentiality reasons.

So, please continue dishing the dirt on right wing UFO cults.

No problema Chimpsk!

Nothing wrong with the planet you say hawkykins? Dream on sunshine. Perhaps you are living on a super 4D planet somewhere but cetainly not on this one.
These criticism coming from Mr passive aggressive himself lol. Chimpsky knows where im coming from. Its just you that doesnt get it im afraid. When are you due in for that sense of humour bypass operation? And here's me remembering you said you were not going to post in here any more. Any way you do amuse me.


So. Back on to the topic of the far right neo nazis and Cults
When identifying cults and their leaders there are always common traits. Lets have a look at some common traits between four in this thread and their links to racism and white supremacy within the context of the thread theme and their alleged links to ancient masters and the mythos surrounding such unwarranted claims.

Guy Ballard, Julian Origas, George Hunt Williamson and Charles

1. The founder of NRM's nearly always have a name change for reasons of, identity crisis, fraud, self aggrandising or deception.
In these cases ,Gut Ballard Godfre Ray King, Julian Origas, (Hugues de Payens, Hubert de Frankenburg) George Hunt williamson (Michael d'Obrenovic, Brother Philip) and we know Charles is not a real name and others given are not real probably.

2. All four of these men have been associated with neo nazism, far right politics, white supremacy at one stage of their lives. These associations have been detailed through the thread.

3. There is nearly always a hierarchy in cult structure. The founder of such movements will often claim they are working under the auspices of a supernatural being with whom they have a private and unique relationship. This gives them unquestionable authority as no one else in the movement is allowed contact. In the UFO cults it usually usually an alien from the planet Zarg or some similar non existant planet like Hatonn.
In this case the master for all Is ST. Germain. A master who has lived for thousands of years associated with a mythical non reality of super races and underground kingdoms . It is more than likely however that this relationship with a super being does not exist and that the reality of the master fabricated. It becomes part of the religion of the cult. St Germain is heavily associated with far right, neo nazi and white supremacist groups and their students.

4. Controversy. Controversy and acrimony are nearly always involved in with membership levels fluctuating as they find more information about the leaders.
Nearly always splinter groups are formed as was the case with Ballard and Origas with Williamson forming his own ST. Germain based cult in the Andes turning his back on esoteric UFO cults.

5. Fabricated stories. All of these men have made false stories to prop up their movements, whether it be secret meetings with ancient masters, Blond haired blue eyed aliens or alleged top secret murderous pasts. None of these stories are verifiable and its members expected to accept them. In the case of Julian Origas' offspring, the Solar Temple, all members ended up dead. I doubt very much if the claims of any these movements have any foundation. Some may look like a cult but are more likley a front for a government operation of some description. Often their will be false claims to special powers like immortality and special psychic ability. Again unproven false.

So wereas some will view them as harmless there will be others who view it differently.
Itt all depends on how much truth one wishes to avoid.

Members of these movements all feel they are part of an exclusive group that change change the world or that they have access to special information and secret beings that ordinary people do not. sadly, as is always they case, they are being led a merry dance by their fraudulent or deluded founders. In this case all four are woven inexorably into the fabric of hate, white supremacy, neo nazism and the fascism.

Perhaps the New Atlantis of super humans so beloved of Germain and his disciples is not going to happen just yet.

And Hawkykins, I know you keep whittering on about programmes but belief in your own alien religion is probably the biggest programme of them all. I can get you a number of a decent deprogrammer if you like. You could use the help.
There is hope for you yet, not much though im afraid to say.

Floyd...the planet is just fine....the antibiotic will come...one way or the other.....make no mistake.



As for painting Atticus1 a demonic cult..... Bwahahaha! I'm jsut allowing you to stick your foot a bit further in you mouth. I challenge anyone to go to Atticus1 site (it's free) and find one ounce of what he speaks of here.....LOL Keep it up Floyd...it's pure entertainment.

Now if you really want to 'enlighten the folks here to this neo nazi cultism.....perhaps you should start from the beginning? But that would make far too much sense.

Im afraid the planet how can you possibly say that? Look around. Its not fine and nobody knows what will happen in the future. The people are the antidote if they choose. Anyone thinks that they do know know must be really really special. We have seen how many false prophets have made statements before that have not transpired

We have all of us on various forums, heard plenty from Charles and his master thank you. No doubt his story will appeal to some but to others it will remain rubbish. I thinkh his story is a complete fabrication as clearly do many others. It is not unusual for leaders of new groups to create a myth. Either way I doubt his group will have any meaningful impact on the world. How many more alternative forums and radio stations do we need? I suppose this one a super duper one that will be head and shoulders above the rest. His aura of death and violence and his shady connections with the far right hovers over it like a cancer and that will take a while to go away. Perhaps his master has a magic wand to make it go away. If he exists that is. The last I want to say about that is that his attempt to proselytise his venture on the various forums by various tactics ultimately failed. Back fired spectacularly even lol. We have all been entertained by this farce from its inception over a year ago.

We know that the contactees and the disciples of St Germain are Nazis and white supremacists. And we know that the founders of these cults were liars and frauds.

Floyd wrote:Im afraid the planet how can you possibly say that? Look around. Its not fine and nobody knows what will happen in the future. The people are the antidote if they choose. Anyone thinks that they do know know must be really really special. We have seen how many false prophets have made statements before that have not transpired

Like you told me....perhaps you should start a thread on it Floyd But my take....like the video I posted....the planet will move on...and it's not in mans destiny to destroy this planet. Perhaps it's in mans destiny to destroy itself? who knows....only time will tell.....

http://www.livescience.com/18580-perpetual-motion-time-crystals.html

Here is an interesting character I want to look at next

http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/

Lyndon LaRouche. Connected both to the extreme right and UFOism. Like our friends in previous posts here.

I have been interested in the occult for over 30 years, and never heard of St.Germain until recently on a forum. Having read the works of several Masters, ( they really do exist ) it seems quite clear that this St.Germain is not one of them, not at least a member of the White Lodge, this is clear from his behavior, which makes him either (I'm talking about the historical figure here) an Adept of the Left Hand Path, or quite possibly an alien.

No Saint or ascended Master is capable of racism, which requires hate and a particular form of stupidity. Which means that "contactees" are either bullshitters or are in the grip of a sinister entity, possibly both.

Cults are very interesting microcosms of social psychology, and like their bigger brother, the mass movement, always need a devil, the god figure is optional for the function of such a group.

One of the reasons that they work or exist at all, is the basic weakness of the human mind in its need for belief. It works like this, you tell someone, or better still let them in on "secrets" that have the effect of undermining their existing belief structures, if this is done via "initiations" so much the better.

People feel very naked & weak without belief, so whilst the existing beliefs are stripped, new and usually more bizzare & far fetched "truths" are offered which are only too greedily absorbed by the frightened psyche of the "aspirant".

Now they are living within a reality or paradigm that puts them at odds with the rest of humanity, so they turn ever more to the bosom of the cult.

Any way heres a musical interlude

Floyd wrote:Here is an interesting character I want to look at next

http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/

Lyndon LaRouche. Connected both to the extreme right and UFOism. Like our friends in previous posts here.

Good Idea, I've come across him before, infact I got this through this morning,

Chimpsky wrote:
No Saint or ascended Master is capable of racism, which requires hate and a particular form of stupidity. Which means that "contactees" are either bullshitters or are in the grip of a sinister entity, possibly both.

Cults are very interesting microcosms of social psychology, and like their bigger brother, the mass movement, always need a devil, the god figure is optional for the function of such a group.

People feel very naked & weak without belief, so whilst the existing beliefs are stripped, new and usually more bizzare & far fetched "truths" are offered which are only too greedily absorbed by the frightened psyche of the "aspirant".

Now they are living within a reality or paradigm that puts them at odds with the rest of humanity, so they turn ever more to the bosom of the cult.

I thinks any so called 'Master' wishing to associate himself with extreme rightist lunatics such as Origas and others cannot possibly be a benign being and it is very highly probable that such beings are as you say, forms of the left hand path, or black magic as you rightly suggest.
It is oxymoronic for an evolved being to associate itself with hatred or racism as you point out.
It could also be the case of course, that no such being exists and that the 'Master' of the racists is merely a mythical front and mystical authority figure for their cult. Either way we should always be weary of those associated with this and those individuals making such claims.

Great song by RH that one.

Chimpsky wrote:

Yeah. He's fairly insane.

I think the planet is safe, she knows her stuff and will survive well. The ones that are in trouble is us because if the planet needs to choose is a no brainer....we are going down....starting by fertility problems that are now reaching epidemic proportions

Now that St Germain giza...isn't he the son of a vampire? what was his name...Rackosky? Weren't the Ballars prosecuted for fraud?

Fraud trial of Edna and Donald Ballard

Ballard died in 1939, as noted above. In 1942 Mrs. Ballard and her son were charged with eighteen counts of mail fraud on the basis of claims made in books sent through the mail. The presiding judge instructed the jury not to consider the truth or falsity of the religious beliefs, but only whether the Ballards sincerely believed the claims or did not, and the jury found them guilty.[4][4][7] The Ninth Circuit overturned the conviction on the grounds that the judge improperly excluded their religious beliefs from consideration, and the government appealed to the Supreme Court. In United States v. Ballard, the Supreme Court in a 5-4 landmark decision, ruling that the question of whether the Ballards believed their religious claims should not have been submitted to the jury, and remanded the case back to the Ninth Circuit, which affirmed the fraud conviction. Interpreting this decision, the Ninth Circuit later found that the Court did not go so far as to hold that "the validity or veracity of a religious doctrine cannot be inquired into by a Federal Court." [14]

On a second appeal, Supreme Court vacated the fraud conviction, on the grounds that women were improperly excluded from the jury panel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22I_AM%22_Activity

Ya never know but seems quite good suitor for someone like Charles...it's all in their "family" ?

Amuse you? I'll do one better. You amuse all of us!

Passive aggression. hmmm....... Like how you do so very well as far as trolling the fence line, I am reflecting the very same, just so we can amuse each other and anyone else you don't run off. And maybe it isn't a matter of passive aggression but just the plain facts and you perceive with the insecurities in your emotional body that I am being passive-aggressive, because you're stuck in that paradigm simply because you react from it.

It's funny that most folks seem to have the intelligence to discern the first hand from the second hand. What Chimpsky said about beliefs is also spot on and just to be fair since Chimpsky is on his own payroll and hasn't left the building mind you, I don't want to use Chimpsky as a platform to promote what I have already said concerning this.

Your disconnect to the Planet is exact with your words. Maybe Mother Earth is sick and tired of the White Supremacists and the rest of your list, trying to fix her up with their disconnected second hand belief structures. If you think Mother Earth needs Humanity to fix her as if she is broken, you might want to check who drugged your water. Humanity is the broken one and guess what, we are in that! When it comes to choosing, and don't be surprised, which one should be killed off, Mother Earth or Humanity, I choose Humanity. White Supremacists and the rest of your disconnected list. The way we have treated Mother Earth is a flat out disgrace. On some level, I am ashamed to be here. Those who are disconnected from the Planet, only talking the talk and not walking the walk, are so obvious to see. Maybe, and I say maybe, we agree with some of what I just said.

I concur with you that there have been groups, cults, and the like that have manipulated Humanity into darkness. But I draw the line as to what is objective and that line gets adjusted when all the facts aren't presented or when someone's emotional body is stuck in a certain position because of their inner fears. I also agree on the judging issue but that has a line also and when it borders on false judgment, just out of respect for those being unjustly judged, I am going to say where that line is at, at least from my own POV. Our lines are in different positions and that is the best way I can put it. It really isn't a personal thing as you want to make it.

All I know is that whatever everyone is being distracted by from the past, isn't helping what is going on in the now. I'm not referring to personal lives and remembering those lives. I'm talking about passed articles of information that have nothing to do with us being on the verge of THERMAL-NUCLEAR WAR. It will never happen right? So because someone says this guy is insane and that will discredit the possibility of THERMAL-NUCLEAR WAR, to manipulate you into some complacency mode, is a dis service. If anyone was paying attention, that fact that we are on the verge, can be realized from many sources as of late. What was referred to as to this insane person just so happens to track. But if you are only looking at the White Supremacist Times, you will surely not be in phase with the current situation on the Planet as far as the Nuclear factor is concerned. Get a grip, will ya!

I personally believe that the "greys" are benevolent. What does that say about me? I have had benevolent experiences with them. I don't care what kind of BS is dug up about Nazis, "I AM" secret societies, or a bunch of old farts in silver shirts. First hand experience always trumps propaganda.

Y'know - At this point My Question would be - I mean - As NO ONE seems as if They're going to escape Scrutiny...



"Who do YOU think ISN'T a White Supremacist and fascist UFO Contactee ?"

Who DOES meet witth Your approval ?

Simply put - We've seen the Sources that You've got Issues with ? How about naming some of the Sources that You don't have Issues with ? Are there any ?

Mercuriel wrote:Y'know - At this point My Question would be - I mean - As NO ONE seems as if They're going to escape Scrutiny...



"Who do YOU think ISN'T a White Supremacist and fascist UFO Contactee ?"

Who DOES meet witth Your approval ?

Simply put - We've seen the Sources that You've got Issues with ? How about naming some of the Sources that You don't have Issues with ? Are there any ?

Excellent question. If he thinks that all contactees are Nazis then he may as well say it. I would like to know who he believes is "legit" in his mind.