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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  Brook on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:57 pm

    Doomsday Deflected: The Guardians and The Outer-Space Subordinate







    With all of the hysteria about the upcoming end of the Mayan Calendar in 2012, solar flares, the War on Terror, Biblical End Times Prophesy, Nostradamus, Global Warming, etc etc etc…. it is easy to find one’s self becoming paranoid. Is the world about to end? Is there about to be some sort of Paradigm Shift? Are we looking down the barrel at doom Doom DOOM?!?!? Well, perhaps we are. Who knows?

    We certainly live in strange days.

    With that said, it is important to keep a historical context when considering End Times prophesy. As far back as one can remember, it seems that people have been predicting the END is right around the corner. So far… so good. So, in this series of articles on E.I., we are going to take a look at Doomsday Deflected; those who thought the end was nigh, and found that at least for now, we live to see another day.

    The Guardians and The Outer-Space Subordinate

    In 1954, a Midwestern newspaper carried the following headline and story :


    PROPHESY FROM PLANET CLARION CALL TO CITY: FLEE THAT FLOOD. IT’LL SWAMP US ON DEC 21, OUTER SPACE TELLS SUBURBANITE.

    Lake City will be destroyed by a flood from the great lake just before dawn, Dec, 21, according to a suburban housewife. Mrs. Dorothy Martin of 847 West School Street, says the prophesy is not her own. It is the purport of many messages she has received by automatic writing, she says…. The messages, according to Mrs. Martin, are sent to her by superior beings from a planet called “Clarion.” These beings have been visiting the earth, she says, in what we call flying saucers. During their visits, she says, they have observed fault lines in the earth’s crust that foretoken the deluge. Mrs. Martin reports she was told the flood will spread to form an inland sea stretching from the Arctic Circle to the Gulf of Mexico. At the same time, she says, a cataclysm will submerge the West Coast from Seattle, Wash. to Chile in South America…

    (Above excerpt from the book book, When Prophecy Fails)

    The headline was spotted by a social psychologist, Leon Festinger. He and his colleagues, Stanley Schacter and Henry W. Riecken, decided to investigate the group behind such claims. They managed to infiltrate the group, and documented the happenings just prior to and shortly after the proclaimed date of the deluge that was predicted in the newspaper article.

    The group was led by a Chicago woman named Dorothy Martin (also known as Marion Keech in Festinger’s later published book). For years, she’d been receiving messages through automatic writing. First, from her late father, and then from beings from outer space. She claimed that the beings came from the planet Clarion, and that their messages were prophetic. It wasn’t long before she began to attract followers. They called themselves “The Seekers”, and the messages came from E.T.’s called “The Guardians”.

    Before she became the vessel for interstellar prophesy, Ms. Martin was a devout follower of L. Ron Hubbard’s Dianetics movement. This was the the movement that would become the controversial religion we know today as Scientology. When forming her own “religious” movement, Martin incorporated many ideals from Hubbard’s Dianetics. She required very strict behavioral and lifestyle changes from her followers. Many of them left their jobs, homes, bank accounts, spouses, schools… all to follow Dorothy Martin, or as she referred to herself, the Outer Space Subordinate.

    Martin claimed that she had her own personal Clarion guide and mentor named Sananda. The Seekers waited excitedly for each new message from Sananda and the Clarions. The messages they were receiving were becoming increasingly dire, culminating in the warning that on December 21, 1954, a great flood would ravage the Earth, and that a vast inland sea would be formed, stretching from the Arctic Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico and a subsequent cataclysm would destroy much of the West Coast from Seattle, Washington down to South America. A flying saucer would come to rescue those who were true believers.

    The Seekers took the message extremely seriously. They left behind all of their belongings to gather at the home of Dorothy Martin waiting for further instructions about how they would be spared from the great flood. They removed all metal from their clothing as it would cause burns while flying in a saucer, and they suffered great ridicule from their community. But they stood steadfast.

    On December 17, they received a phone message stating that a flying saucer would be landing in Dorothy Martin’s backyard at 4am. When the saucer did not arrive, members were disappointed, but they did not waiver in their convictions. They decided that they were simply being tested, so they remained together awaiting a new message.

    Finally, a new message from Clarion was received. This time they were told that in 14 hours, on December 20th, an E.T. from Clarion would arrive and lead the group to the place where his ship was located. From there they would be escorted away from Earth, just in time to escape the flood. They waited in tense anticipation, and the foretold time came and went. No spaceman arrived, no ship, no rescue. Members were devastated. Some left the group, but the core members remained. It is reported that Dorothy Martin wept.

    Just in the nick of time, another message was received that calmed their anxiety ridden hearts. On December 22, they were informed that the devastation of Earth had been called off, due largely to the devotion of The Seekers and their unyielding faith in the people of Clarion. They were told that it was a Christmas miracle from the God of the Earth, for the “light” that was spread by this little group of believers.

    Dorothy and her followers spread the message of Earth’s salvation to the press and wire services, and were shocked by the negative reaction they received. She continued to claim to receive messages from Sananda and her Clarion contacts, but the group slowly began to dwindle. Finally, Dorothy Martin was driven from her home under threat of arrest unless she checked herself into a psychiatric ward.

    Leon Festinger and his colleagues documented all of these events in his book, When Prophecy Fails. They determined that when people have a strong enough faith in something, they will often do exactly the opposite of what we would expect when their faith is tested. Rather than abandon their beliefs, adverse events often strengthen resolve, and beliefs will adapt to the faith of the followers, rather than diminish.

    When Prophecy Fails

    Dorothy Martin fled to Peru. She lived there for several years, and spent time with the group “The Brotherhood of the Seven Rays”, founded by another channel and contactee, George Hunt Williamson. She returned to the United States in 1961, and settled in Arizona.

    She had undergone a great amount of learning and transformation while in South America. Her mentor Sananda was now no longer considered merely a member of an extra-terrestrial race from the planet Clarion. Now known as Esu Sananda Kumara, or more specifically, Jesus Christ.

    Dorothy Martin now called herself Sister Thedra, and in 1965 she founded “Association of Sananda and Sanat Kumara”. She relocated to Mount Shasta in California, and continued to spread the messages that she was receiving from what she now called “the masters” (This is likely due to the fact that while studying under Williamson in South America, she was introduced to a way of thinking more akin to Madame Blavatsky’s Theosophy than her previous foundation in Dianetics).

    In 1988, she moved the group once again to Sedona, Arizona. They existed as a group of devotees awaiting messages from “masters” via the channel of Sister Thedra. In 1992, Dorothy Martin passed away. While no one has stepped up to replace her as channel, the Association of Sananda and Sanat Kumara yet exists. They can be contacted at the following address to receive their newsletter, Call to Arms.

    2675 W. Highway 89-A
    #454,
    Sedona, AZ 86336

    Sources:

    God’s
    Lunatics: Lost Souls, False Prophets, Martyred Saints, Murderous Cults,


    Demonic Nuns, and Other Victims of Man’s Eternal Search for the Divine


    http://drvitelli.typepad.com/providentia/2008/07/after-the-prophecy.html

    http://www.answers.com/topic/association-of-sananda-and-sanat-kumara

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12125926

    http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/richard.robbins/Belief/chapter_four.htm













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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  Hypothetical Situationist on Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:43 pm

    ^^ Sounds like grade-a Sorcha Faal material to me.

    End times prophecy has been used throughout the ages as a means to coerce people into submitting, and disarm them from taking action against planned changes. The inner priest class of architects have always written the end at the beginning, when drafting the holy books of an age, so that the public would be expecting 'something' to happen at a manufactured milestone. Creating a sense of apprehension and expectation, and overlaying it with a holy narrative, where the public are convinced that it's 'all god's plan' is the best way of disabling them and getting them to humbly accept whatever has been planned by their human superiors.

    The bible contained such prophecies, which were then re-augmented and pumped up in the 1800's with 'revelations' and the end times, because these people knew that a great transition into 'the new age' was on the horizon. In destroying the orthodox religions, they also had to create a similar narrative of 'end times' and apocalypse of all manner, for all the other spin-off sects and religions that are now in existence. When we hear about all the mayan prophecies and cosmic, apocalyptic predictions about 2012 - we are largely being fed a re-hashed version of the same end times prophecies that the christians were given for this time period. They are all as manufactured as the book of revelations, and there are a whole host of science fiction writers operating under the guise of 'historians' and anthropologists, who have churned out a thousand different interpretations of the mayan calendar, which all try and connect real world events to some kind of ancient prophecy.

    There is also the distinct possibility that the mayans, the hopi and the i-ching had this 'prophecy' embedded into their culture and their calendars at a much earlier date - deliberately, by the same inner priest class responsible for creating the book of revelations, to ensure that there was a kind of 'consensus' that we were indeed entering some kind of cosmic, divine theatre when approaching 2012. There exists at least some evidence that the templars may have visited the mayans in pre-columbian times and shown them the sciences of astrology and geometry, as well as giving them a kind of calendar which we now hold as 'proof' that some kind of great event is upon us.

    All in all, the architects of our 'civilization' and our history, plan things well in advance, and hard as it may be to believe - knew that this period of time now would be the transitory period 'between two ages'. Therefore, they sowed the seeds of great change by planting a divine narrative into the holy books of many cultures, which are now coming to fruition exactly as planned, as everyone from the christians to the new-agers are under the impression that everything that is happening right now is part of a 'divine plan'. In reality however, what is happening now is all quite tangible and deliberate. It appears very complex in one way, and yet it is very simple in another. Civilization is getting an upgrade, as is the human being, and rather than risk the possibility of the people taking the reigns themselves, we've all been embedded with a narrative that guides us through the changes, so that we accept them and think they're unavoidable. There are many different narratives, which prompt many different reactions from different areas of society - but ultimately these end times myths, cataclysmic predictions and new-age fantasies all just blind us from seeing the truth and dealing with it on that basis.

    I would like to think that there are 'external' factors at work here, and that there may be forces outside of our control that influence time and space for the better, but I can't ignore the fact that this con has been used on us before, in ages long since passed, and for that reason I am very skeptical about the validity of any kind of 'end times' prediction or similar. They're just so effective in disabling people by sending them off into escapist fantasies about imaginary things, that you can't ignore how effective a control mechanism they are, especially at times like this.

    Hope I didn't burst anyone's bubble there - feel free to counter my argument.


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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  Floyd on Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:31 am

    mudra wrote:In the early days of PA I used to listen to every new interview Bill and Kerry had made.
    I liked Wilcock so I listened to his too . My focus faded away from there after a while though.
    I concentrated on my own lines of interest and found PA's community open enough to accept
    me as I am. I continue to do so nowadays here in the Mists.
    Recently I cancelled most of my youtube subscriptions as I found that being overloaded with
    datas was distracting me from inner silence, inner guidance.
    The less I " feed " myself with second hand information these days the better I feel .
    As I said somewhere above at times one needs to fast. Letting go of it all is a great process.

    Love from me
    mudra

    The youtube videos going for the last decade or so around are mostly pretty bad and I tend not to watch any of them. The controllers know that the majority of those interested in conspiracy theories will believe anything they watch and often they do. The one's surrounding Elenin and the asteroid were particularly awful. And incorrect.

    There are some good ones no doubt but most of it is misinfo and propaganda.
    I think you are right Mudra. Disconnecting from all that will only do you a big favour.

    Sorry to hear about your insane cat by the way. Perhaps it is just going through some sort of obscure cathartic process and will soon recover to be an enlightened being that no longer eats birds.
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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  Micjer on Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:12 am

    Hypothetical Situationist wrote:^^ Sounds like grade-a Sorcha Faal material to me.

    End times prophecy has been used throughout the ages as a means to coerce people into submitting, and disarm them from taking action against planned changes. The inner priest class of architects have always written the end at the beginning, when drafting the holy books of an age, so that the public would be expecting 'something' to happen at a manufactured milestone. Creating a sense of apprehension and expectation, and overlaying it with a holy narrative, where the public are convinced that it's 'all god's plan' is the best way of disabling them and getting them to humbly accept whatever has been planned by their human superiors.

    The bible contained such prophecies, which were then re-augmented and pumped up in the 1800's with 'revelations' and the end times, because these people knew that a great transition into 'the new age' was on the horizon. In destroying the orthodox religions, they also had to create a similar narrative of 'end times' and apocalypse of all manner, for all the other spin-off sects and religions that are now in existence. When we hear about all the mayan prophecies and cosmic, apocalyptic predictions about 2012 - we are largely being fed a re-hashed version of the same end times prophecies that the christians were given for this time period. They are all as manufactured as the book of revelations, and there are a whole host of science fiction writers operating under the guise of 'historians' and anthropologists, who have churned out a thousand different interpretations of the mayan calendar, which all try and connect real world events to some kind of ancient prophecy.

    There is also the distinct possibility that the mayans, the hopi and the i-ching had this 'prophecy' embedded into their culture and their calendars at a much earlier date - deliberately, by the same inner priest class responsible for creating the book of revelations, to ensure that there was a kind of 'consensus' that we were indeed entering some kind of cosmic, divine theatre when approaching 2012. There exists at least some evidence that the templars may have visited the mayans in pre-columbian times and shown them the sciences of astrology and geometry, as well as giving them a kind of calendar which we now hold as 'proof' that some kind of great event is upon us.

    All in all, the architects of our 'civilization' and our history, plan things well in advance, and hard as it may be to believe - knew that this period of time now would be the transitory period 'between two ages'. Therefore, they sowed the seeds of great change by planting a divine narrative into the holy books of many cultures, which are now coming to fruition exactly as planned, as everyone from the christians to the new-agers are under the impression that everything that is happening right now is part of a 'divine plan'. In reality however, what is happening now is all quite tangible and deliberate. It appears very complex in one way, and yet it is very simple in another. Civilization is getting an upgrade, as is the human being, and rather than risk the possibility of the people taking the reigns themselves, we've all been embedded with a narrative that guides us through the changes, so that we accept them and think they're unavoidable. There are many different narratives, which prompt many different reactions from different areas of society - but ultimately these end times myths, cataclysmic predictions and new-age fantasies all just blind us from seeing the truth and dealing with it on that basis.

    I would like to think that there are 'external' factors at work here, and that there may be forces outside of our control that influence time and space for the better, but I can't ignore the fact that this con has been used on us before, in ages long since passed, and for that reason I am very skeptical about the validity of any kind of 'end times' prediction or similar. They're just so effective in disabling people by sending them off into escapist fantasies about imaginary things, that you can't ignore how effective a control mechanism they are, especially at times like this.

    Hope I didn't burst anyone's bubble there - feel free to counter my argument.



    Hi HS.

    Glad you have joined us. Have been enjoying your writings.

    I feel you aren't going to burst anyone's bubble on this forum. There are other forums perhaps yes.

    It seems that most here are waking up to the fact that there is so much disinfo out there, and one has to really look thru the BS for the gems.

    The thing that does seem to be happening is the NWO is succeeding in creating an increased police state, finacial collapse, and is edging closer to WW3 in the middle east.

    Without Hope that the White Hats will eventually win and elite will be punished, we have nothing.
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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  Hypothetical Situationist on Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:50 pm

    Not sure if people are still looking at this thread, as it's been many moons since I've been in this neck of the woods.

    Just wanted to mention that I now agree with Floyd regarding Project Camelot. I know I spent many an hour writing essays on the nuances of truth vs disinfo, and how we should all approach these people and concepts with discernment and balance - but I have absolutely had it with Project Camelot and I too think they should be avoided like the plague.

    I haven't re-joined their forum since it went down and was re-built last year, as the kind of stuff they're promoting has only gotten more desperate and bizarre. The last time I had a proper look at what Kerry was doing, she was promoting some fortune teller wearing pajamas talking about his apocalyptic visions of 2013, as well as his ability to remote-view the past, including the crucifixion of Christ, which he claims never happened. I have never seen such an obvious, desperate PSYOP to reinvigorate and sustain the new-age/doomsday cocktail-cult, by simply moving the date forward 6 months and throwing in some pseudo-scientific jargon to bedazzle the audience.

    You were right Floyd. I just wanted to be fair and nice, that's all.

    They are not even worth bothering with. Sorry of this offends anybody, but I can guarantee that PC are there to lead you round in circles - nothing more.

    The funniest thing about all this, is that after expressing these (and other, similar) views, I was smeared all over the big 'conspiracy forums' as a 'Project Camelot Disinfo Agent', who is working for Kerry. Go figure. I guess that's always going to be a part of counterintelligence though - pure confusion and self contradiction.

    Hence my not even bothering with forums these days.

    Anyway, hope everybody's well. We survived 2012, but the battle has just begun..
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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  JesterTerrestrial on Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:14 pm

    Hypothetical Situationist wrote:Not sure if people are still looking at this thread, as it's been many moons since I've been in this neck of the woods.

    Just wanted to mention that I now agree with Floyd regarding Project Camelot. I know I spent many an hour writing essays on the nuances of truth vs disinfo, and how we should all approach these people and concepts with discernment and balance - but I have absolutely had it with Project Camelot and I too think they should be avoided like the plague.

    I haven't re-joined their forum since it went down and was re-built last year, as the kind of stuff they're promoting has only gotten more desperate and bizarre. The last time I had a proper look at what Kerry was doing, she was promoting some fortune teller wearing pajamas talking about his apocalyptic visions of 2013, as well as his ability to remote-view the past, including the crucifixion of Christ, which he claims never happened. I have never seen such an obvious, desperate PSYOP to reinvigorate and sustain the new-age/doomsday cocktail-cult, by simply moving the date forward 6 months and throwing in some pseudo-scientific jargon to bedazzle the audience.

    You were right Floyd. I just wanted to be fair and nice, that's all.

    They are not even worth bothering with. Sorry of this offends anybody, but I can guarantee that PC are there to lead you round in circles - nothing more.

    The funniest thing about all this, is that after expressing these (and other, similar) views, I was smeared all over the big 'conspiracy forums' as a 'Project Camelot Disinfo Agent', who is working for Kerry. Go figure. I guess that's always going to be a part of counterintelligence though - pure confusion and self contradiction.

    Hence my not even bothering with forums these days.

    Anyway, hope everybody's well. We survived 2012, but the battle has just begun..

    Welcome back to the Mists of Avalon and thanks for taking the time to share your insight here...yes there are many unanswered questions and as I have said it sure makes me wonder who some people work for!!!

    anyway there are a few comments burred here in the MOA regarding the shadows over camelot and the REAL SOUL FAMILY OF AVALON AND THE ORIGINAL ROUND OF CAMELOT never give up!!! I AM AWARE OF THE FACT THAT I AM ON A ROCK FLOATING THROUGH SPACE WITH FRONT ROW SEATS IN THE CENTER OF MY MIND LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF MY TEMPLE ON TOP OF MY BODY WRITE HERE IN HEAVEN!!! Have a nice day cheers

    Peace MERLIN JT! MAAT


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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  magamud on Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:44 am

    Gnashing of teeth indeed.

    It is not easy and I would say the world is a scale. That is everything has a place and a reason. Nothing is by mistake.

    Question everything and dismiss nothing.
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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  THEeXchanger on Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:51 pm

    Strangely none of the top posters ever got interviewed
    yet, they were the ones, that keep the fires burning
    ~JT, Mudra, myself
    - and, many, many others
    why didn't they interview any of the top 100 posters ?

    and, why aren't any of those top 100 posters with them today ?
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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  spacecowboy on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:38 pm

    Greetings MOA,

    I was a former moderator at PC who was just recently banned by PC. The reason????? Unknown. My guess is the mighty Powers That Be knew I was getting to close to the truth so in order to stop me had to ban me. Tragic. The truth gets away again.

    If anyone on this forum knows why I was banned please post it here. And if you don't know, go ahead and Make Something Up.

    Thanks,

    SC

    PS Does this forum crash three or more times a day?
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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  TRANCOSO on Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:03 pm

    spacecowboy wrote:Greetings MOA,

    I was a former moderator at PC who was just recently banned by PC. The reason????? Unknown. My guess is the mighty Powers That Be knew I was getting to close to the truth so in order to stop me had to ban me. Tragic. The truth gets away again.

    If anyone on this forum knows why I was banned please post it here. And if you don't know, go ahead and Make Something Up.

    Thanks,

    SC

    PS Does this forum crash three or more times a day?
    Word on the street is you got banned because of something, but you don't know this from me...

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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  Carol on Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:48 pm

    spacecowboy wrote:Greetings MOA,

    I was a former moderator at PC who was just recently banned by PC. The reason????? Unknown. My guess is the mighty Powers That Be knew I was getting to close to the truth so in order to stop me had to ban me. Tragic. The truth gets away again.

    If anyone on this forum knows why I was banned please post it here. And if you don't know, go ahead and Make Something Up.

    Thanks,

    SC

    PS Does this forum crash three or more times a day?

    Well I was a former moderator and got banned by Kerry too in the orignal Avalon and then banned again at Bills forum for pointing out the obvious truth about the admin Richard and his wife - before he got banned by Bill. I don't miss the politics at those other two forums. At least Mists is a free forum and rarely is anyone banned. Even the poster others complain about for spamming still gets to stay.


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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:59 pm

    Are we Kicking Dick again??? Seriously, things seemed to really change at Project Avalon about the time that I started the 'Amen Ra' thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223 That was a very interesting thread -- and resulted in a rather high number of views -- which continues to grow. Soon afterward, abraxasinas swept into town with a high volume of strange yet intellectual posting. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900 That's when things really seemed to start falling apart. I am still haunted by my 'demand' on that thread for a Solar System Exorcism and the implementation of a United States of the Solar System. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=62 Right about that time things really went sour -- and the abraxasinas Q&A was shut down -- and a lot of members seemed to go sort of nuts. Richard and his wife were nasty and high-handed -- and that was pretty much the end of the original Project Avalon. Right about that time, I had my first UFO sighting -- which sure looked like a group of UFO's blowing-up some sort of a larger space-ship. That's what it looked like to me -- and it scared the hell out of me. My encounter with someone claiming to be an Ancient Egyptian Deity (who I won't name) seemed to be related to all of the above -- and occurred just a few months after Project Avalon shut-down. My participation in the Crystal Cathedral, many years previously, seemed to have something to do with this -- as seemingly unrelated as that is. Anyway, I once again wish for a combination of the original Project Avalon (without the drama) and The Mists of Avalon (with more members). Something seems to have been very wrong during all of the above -- and things seem to be worse presently -- as people seem to be subjected to an information and disinformation overload. My research and speculation has been most upsetting and destructive in my life -- and if even half of what I think might be true actually is true -- the general-public will probably not be nearly as patient and restrained as I have been. I get the feeling that the Galactic Powers That Be are not pleased with what is transpiring within this solar system. Things seem to be approaching a critical stage -- and I suspect that things might get rather nasty for a couple of decades (or longer). I've tried to deal with a lot of upsetting and disruptive issues -- and I wish that I hadn't. It takes a helluva lot of work, pain, and suffering -- to accomplish absolutely nothing. I wonder if the Powers That Be (Human and Otherwise) have some sort of a highly-secure internet-forum (by invitation only)??? Wouldn't THAT be fun??!! OR -- it might not be fun at all. A completely frank and honest debate on such a hypothetical forum might drive most of us insane. The more I think about this madness -- the less I post what I really think. I sure hope the PTB can't read my mind. BTW -- I wonder what would happen if they reopened the original Project Avalon forum??!! What are the chances of that happening??!!
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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  mudra on Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:59 am

    Hi there SC and welcome around our campfire.
    Sorry to hear you got banned on Camelot.
    I would'nt know why as I rarely visit there.
    I can't remember the Mists crashing since it's onset.
    It's a safe place to be.
    Enjoy your stay.

    Love from me
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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  burgundia on Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:26 am

    Welcome at the Mists. flower
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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  Carol on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:11 am

    orthodoxymoron wrote:Are we Kicking Dick again???

    Naw Oxy. It's all in the past. I do miss the excitment when we were all first at PA as there were so many new things we were learning. Now it seems so much of it is old hat and we're just waiting for the real disclousre of all that secret government science and technology that is 50 years ahead of what is out in main stream. I think this is what saddens me the most. Life would be so much better if free energy was out there for everyone to use and enjoy. It just pisses me off. Just look at how those greedy power-hungry elitist horders have contributed to the de-evolution of humanity as compared to aiding them in taking that next step up the rung upwards. This type of self-centered myopic mentality has truly contributed to the mess this planet is in with regard to pollution as well. So this is where we're at. What ever happened to the galactic wave? We were all so excited and looking forward to that next evolutionary step. Now it seems were just stuck is this tragic time loop with no end until one literally passes over.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:51 pm

    I get the impression that if everything were made new and perfect on Planet Earth -- there would still be a helluva lot of complaining and dissatisfaction. I get the sinking feeling that if everything I have conceptualized regarding a United States of the Solar System were completely implemented -- and if I lived in a Deep Subsurface Lunar Base -- I would still be unhappy and upset -- along with everyone else. I'm thinking that Robert H. Schuller made some very valid points throughout his ministry -- but that the Crystal Cathedral concept needs to be exhaustively studied and refined. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxNvspVWPLw 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f8wuTmtj3w 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smhJlRxKuls Perhaps Positive-Reinforcement should be applied to the Way Things Are. I've opened a bunch of cans of worms within this website -- but I'm thinking that I should give my divisive and upsetting work the Crystal Cathedral Treatment. The research and structure behind the Crystal Cathedral should NOT be underestimated. One MUST deeply research prior to applying a Happy-Clappy finishing touch. Again, this is Positive Reinforcement AFTER studying all of the problems and perplexities. I found that playing Loma Linda Seventh-day Adventism off of the Crystal Cathedral was MOST enlightening. And it must always be remembered that Arvella Schuller basically ran the Crystal Cathedral. (I got that from a genuine insider) BTW -- a most interesting individual suggested to me that there was a demonic component to the Crystal Cathedral ministry -- and that's all I'm gonna say.

    Anyway, this is the best of times -- and the worst of times. I mostly worry about the Wrath of God -- and Weapons of Mass Destruction. I'm NOT happy with Earth and Humanity -- but I don't think the world should be destroyed -- and sinners damned to hell. Why can't we have a PROPER System of Rewards and Punishments -- which applies to the entire solar system?? I just watched Constantine -- and I was frustrated by the lack of real theological discussion -- and the presence of endless violence and gore. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3lfSQTDSVM 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-828wM9lpLw 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfJCNJScumk This is what I HATE about Hollywood. But really -- I think whoever rules us understands what sells, and what maximizes the bottom-line. I really think that an idealistic archangel set this world up really nicely -- and then everything went to hell -- and got taken over by one or two archangels who were (and are) MUCH Tougher than the first one. Perhaps humanity requires Bad@ss Rulers -- rather than a Kinder and Gentler Deity who doesn't get-off on RULING with an IRON-FIST. Perhaps we have had -- and have -- EXACTLY what we deserve. “For all sad words of tongue and pen, The saddest are these, 'It might have been'.” -- John Greenleaf Whittier


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    Post  Carol on Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:33 pm


    KARMA = PROPER System of Rewards and Punishments


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:54 pm

    I really, really wonder about the reincarnational-administration within this solar system!! Do billionaire-elites reincarnate as starving children in Chad??!! That wouldn't surprise me one little bit. What if the Top One-Percent Reincarnated as the Bottom One-Percent -- lifetime after lifetime after lifetime??!! So far, the concept of reincarnation has been the biggest can of worms I've had to deal with. It scares the hell out of me -- each and every day. Archangelic-Reincarnation is what REALLY interests me!!! I truly believe there is a meticulous record of ALL of our incarnations -- going back thousands, millions, billions, and possibly even trillions of years. Ever heard of the WATCHERS?? Guess what they do??!!
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:37 pm

    orthodoxymoron wrote:I really, really wonder about the reincarnational-administration within this solar system!!
    Do billionaire-elites reincarnate as starving children in Chad??!!
    That wouldn't surprise me one little bit.
    What if the Top One-Percent Reincarnated as the Bottom One-Percent
    -- lifetime after lifetime after lifetime??!!
    So far, the concept of reincarnation has been the biggest can of worms I've had to deal with.
    It scares the hell out of me -- each and every day.
    Archangelic-Reincarnation is what REALLY interests me!!!
    I truly believe there is a meticulous record of ALL of our incarnations
    -- going back thousands, millions, billions, and possibly even trillions of years.
    Ever heard of the WATCHERS??
    Guess what they do??!!

    Right now, this upper 1% + 19% (THAT WORK FOR THEM)
    are destined for places
    that over 80% of this world will NEVER see

    ~what you do NOT finish up in this life
    is given again to you, in your next life

    ~the circumstances of anything you do NOT finish up
    will get worse, rather than better
    so, good advise, would be to finish everything you can in positive ways
    - and, bring that into a good balance

    ~ one thing, a lot of people do NOT consider
    is that every sequence of note always begins in a negative pole Wink



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    Post  Carol on Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:36 pm

    Susan is right. I hadn't thought of it that way before but her observation resonates.

    What most people are unaware of is what happens during the life review when someone passes over. There is instant karma where one relives everything that has gone on within ones life including each and every negative thought. Been there done that. Really helped me clean up what I gave mental/emotional energy to.

    I'll never forget that experience because it also included every negative through I had on the freeway towards other drivers. Nasty. Then there is also the stage of reliving emotionally all acts from how it impacted others as if it is oneself. This is where self-judgment comes into play and how karma is then carried over into the next life. One does it to oneself - judges what needs to happen in order to progress spirtually. Agreements are made pre-birth with other souls who are to help with the lessons learned. Someone who may appear to be an enemy is really a very close friend on the other side and sacraficed to carry out that role in the reincarnated life.

    The goal is to complete the challenges with a calm spirit. No hate, anger or greed... spiritual integrity is what matters in how one lives ones life. Is the individual in alignment with their own inner being by doing the "right thing" irrespective of how difficult it may seem in the moment?

    I can recall a numer of critical moments in my own life when the choice was before me. Do I serve myself, my fear, my anger, my greed - or do I set that aside irrespective of the consequence that will follow - some not so good when interacting with negative energy. It's a challenge, a personal test as to how far one has come with respect to following a spiritual path. Some things I would like to be better at - but it's unlikely to happen. So then, I ask myself can I forgive myself for missing my own individual personal mark? When hitting the mark there is that good feeling of knowing a challenge has been met, the test successfully passed.


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    Post  malletzky on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:03 am

    Carol wrote:
    orthodoxymoron wrote:Are we Kicking Dick again???

    Naw Oxy. It's all in the past. I do miss the excitment when we were all first at PA as there were so many new things we were learning. Now it seems so much of it is old hat and we're just waiting for the real disclousre of all that secret government science and technology that is 50 years ahead of what is out in main stream. I think this is what saddens me the most. Life would be so much better if free energy was out there for everyone to use and enjoy. It just pisses me off. Just look at how those greedy power-hungry elitist horders have contributed to the de-evolution of humanity as compared to aiding them in taking that next step up the rung upwards. This type of self-centered myopic mentality has truly contributed to the mess this planet is in with regard to pollution as well. So this is where we're at. What ever happened to the galactic wave? We were all so excited and looking forward to that next evolutionary step. Now it seems were just stuck is this tragic time loop with no end until one literally passes over.

    I couldn't agree more with you Carol, in all points you noted above. I just coludn't stress enough how thankful I am for knowing you all, first back at the original PA and then afterwards here. I learned a lot from all of you, and I hope you all learned something from me too Wink

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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:29 pm

    What is the proper way to approach historical analysis?? Should there even be historical analysis?? I continue to be burdened by the theory of Three Key Archangels in Conflict with Each Other -- going way, way, way back. Should I even think about such things?? Have the various religions, churches, theologians, and philosophers taught this sort of thing?? I have been exposed to the concept of the Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan in the Conflict of the Ages -- more than most people on the planet -- yet I have refined this concept into being the Great Archangelic Controversy Between Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer in the Conflict of the Ages Within This Solar System. The theory being that Michael was key in the Creation of the Human Being and Representive Governance Which Maximized Responsible Freedom -- and that this did not sit well with the Galactic Powers That Be in a Very Traditional and Theocratic Other Than Human Universe -- leading to a crackdown led by Archangel Gabriel -- with Lucifer initially siding with Michael -- but then switching sides when the defeat of Michael seemed unavoidable. Then, as the theory goes, Lucifer became the God of This World as Second in Command to Gabriel (The Queen of Heaven?). At some point, as the theory continues, Lucifer rebelled against Gabriel -- and that the horrors of history might be best explained by this hypothetical Ancient and Ongoing Archangelic War in Heaven and Earth. Archangel Michael would've been largely powerless in this solar system -- yet I wonder if they might have ruled elsewhere in the universe during this time period??

    What if the Biblical Deities are best explained by referring to Gabriel and Lucifer -- with Michael mostly out of the picture?? Who are the Father, Son, and Holy-Spirit REALLY??? Who are Jesus and Mary REALLY??? What if Michael (or Agents of Michael) documented everything transpiring in this solar system -- and that part of this record is the Holy Bible?? What if there is a larger body of Sacred Scripture in which context the Holy Bible would make much more sense than it does in an unenlightened isolation?? To put it bluntly -- What if God Created Humanity -- and was Subsequently and Consequently Overthrown by Two Rival Deities (or System-Lords)?? What if these hypothetical rivals had noble motives initially -- but became corrupted by the challenges of managing humanity?? What if the exposure of thousands of years of dirty linen will result in a Final Jihad aka the Battle of Armageddon?? What if the original Deity will find that (even if victorious) that Managing Humanity Idealistically will be Impossible -- resulting in a Failed Theocracy and a Subsequent Extermination??? What if the management of humanity will have to continue in a somewhat non-idealistic manner for literally centuries -- with evolutionary and incremental improvement -- ultimately leading to Heaven on Earth??? Might over-correcting this solar system result in the end of life as we know it within this solar system?? Would a United States of the Solar System constitute an over-correction?? Is it a Sin to think such thoughts??? Do such thoughts belong within The Mists of Avalon???
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    Re: Hopeless Project Camelot

    Post  THEeXchanger on Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:07 am

    project scamsalot


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Vij4LsVO4&feature=youtu.be&a

    sinclair - and, rothschild are NOT related

    how does someone with NO birth certificate
    have a passport and travel ???

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    Post  burgundia on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:08 am

    THEeXchanger wrote:project scamsalot


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Vij4LsVO4&feature=youtu.be&a

    sinclair - and, rothschild are NOT related

    how does someone with NO birth certificate
    have a passport and travel ???


    Didn't she say that she doesn't have a passport?
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    Post  THEeXchanger on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:28 am

    yes, she does
    but, she also says she traveled to all these different places
    all of which, NEED a passport
    (at least, anyone who is 44, would have always needed a passport to travel to)

    and, to get a passport you need a birth certificate
    which she claims she doesn't have

    there are a lot of slip ups
    - she talks about 'walking between worlds'
    as, soul 'regression' - ROFL - too funny

    i'd love to see closeups of her 'tatoos'

    this just further shows
    what was once on the right tracks
    has fallen completely out of the original round

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