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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:31 am

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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  Carol on Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:00 pm

    NANUXII wrote:
    Carol wrote:Have you ever thought that to share in the body and blood of Christ, communion is to become one in spiritual frequency. That has been my personal experience of this and even when reading the text as one of the lecturer during the mass I would feel this spiritual energy descend and fill me up. So the ritual itself is one of an invitation to share at an energetic level the spiritual compassion that Christ represents.

    Now onto the next level of discussion. Once while sitting meditating in church I did have the experience of viewing Christ descend and being held within his embrace. (a father holding his child and child holding his father) There are no words to describe that experience as every nano particle of my "beingness" conscious awareness vibrated at a level of pure acceptance and compassion. Not before or since has such a divine situation present itself. Without a shadow of a doubt I know Christ exists. As for religion.. I'm not all that impressed with the politics of any religion nor particularly are in favor of any of them. To me the spiritual experience is where one is uplifted into higher vibrational frequencies so that our experience on the planet and with each other takes on an element of something that is precious as compared to the daily experience ho hum.

    I don't think of Christ as an intellectual exercise but only as something that can be experience though the heart at a level of pure compassion.  


    Hey Carol , ive had the same experience when i was young , the christ enter or decend to my body , my gf at the time saw it , she could see aura etc and i felt it , it was an amazing experience but i wasnt in church and it was 6 years after i renounced catholocism which is interesting.

    So i would whole heartedly agree about sharing the christ conciousness but i have a problem with him being depicted as crucified, then eating his flesh and drinking his blood. There is no other religion on earth other than satanism that asks you to do such things..

    I think of it this way , if i was a John F Kennedy devotee and started a church in his name to celebrate all the good things he did before he was crucified ..i mean assasinated .. would i have a photo of him over the altar with his head blown off and ask people to eat his brains and drink his blood ?  that would be celebrating the assasination not his life and good deeds, No ?  So putting it in that context i think it makes more of a point ( as crude as it is ) , .. i know the ritual has been shrowded in mystic metaphore but it just dosent add up at least for me it dosent , and i apologise for offending any catholics out there.

    http://www.openminds.tv/lucifer-is-helping-vatican-astronomers-look-for-extraterrestrials-970/19968




    No, not offended. The ritual itself when holding the host up is to ask that Christ Consciousness descend and enter into the representation of the body (a wafer) and blood (wine). It's only a representation to become one in spirit with the Divine.


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:43 pm

    I respect genuine religious devotion and experience (even in its erroneous forms). But how do we really determine right and wrong -- truth and error?? I sense and suspect a lot of greed, fear, superstition, and superiority in religion. I sense and suspect precious little open and honest research and reflection. I have certainly not been rewarded for mine. Just the opposite. Also -- look at the tortured corpses of history. It's NOT a pretty-picture. I tend to think that studying religion is MUCH different than being subservient to it. I understand that we need inspiration, morality, and continuity -- but often religion does NOT properly provide any of these. The politics and religion of the world often seem to be designed to maximize confusion, conflict, and the bottom-line. There might be legitimate motivation and rational behind the "way things are" -- but often this is a difficult position to defend. I'm presently a "shell of a guy" -- and I'm NOT kidding. I plan to privately study what I've posted on the Mists for the next couple of years -- and then re-emerge with a somewhat serious and circumspect approach to life, the universe, and everything. If there's some sort of a "crackdown" there might not be much of a choice in the matter. In a very real sense "Shut-up and Get Back to Work" might be the best modus-operandi going-forward. I've been told that "They're NOT Happy" -- and I think I might know what was implied in that warning. Well, I think I'm even "LESS Happy". I knew a VERY smart theology-student in college -- who had high-profile church-administrator parents. He said he was going to learn everything he could from Dr. Fred Veltman. A few years later, this young theologian was a Very Unhappy Bartender -- and I think I might know why. This life is not just fun and games. There seems to be a very dark and troubling underlying reality to life, the universe, and everything. I've irreverently poked and prodded at this unsettling-matter -- and I wish I hadn't. Some things are better left undisturbed. Solving the world's problems -- and figuring things out -- are SO Overrated. Perhaps Ignorance really is Bliss and Virtue. Perhaps being a "Completely Ignorant Fool" isn't such a bad-thing after-all. World Without End. Amen.



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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  NANUXII on Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:19 am

    Carol wrote:
    NANUXII wrote:
    Carol wrote:Have you ever thought that to share in the body and blood of Christ, communion is to become one in spiritual frequency. That has been my personal experience of this and even when reading the text as one of the lecturer during the mass I would feel this spiritual energy descend and fill me up. So the ritual itself is one of an invitation to share at an energetic level the spiritual compassion that Christ represents.

    Now onto the next level of discussion. Once while sitting meditating in church I did have the experience of viewing Christ descend and being held within his embrace. (a father holding his child and child holding his father) There are no words to describe that experience as every nano particle of my "beingness" conscious awareness vibrated at a level of pure acceptance and compassion. Not before or since has such a divine situation present itself. Without a shadow of a doubt I know Christ exists. As for religion.. I'm not all that impressed with the politics of any religion nor particularly are in favor of any of them. To me the spiritual experience is where one is uplifted into higher vibrational frequencies so that our experience on the planet and with each other takes on an element of something that is precious as compared to the daily experience ho hum.

    I don't think of Christ as an intellectual exercise but only as something that can be experience though the heart at a level of pure compassion.  


    Hey Carol , ive had the same experience when i was young , the christ enter or decend to my body , my gf at the time saw it , she could see aura etc and i felt it , it was an amazing experience but i wasnt in church and it was 6 years after i renounced catholocism which is interesting.

    So i would whole heartedly agree about sharing the christ conciousness but i have a problem with him being depicted as crucified, then eating his flesh and drinking his blood. There is no other religion on earth other than satanism that asks you to do such things..

    I think of it this way , if i was a John F Kennedy devotee and started a church in his name to celebrate all the good things he did before he was crucified ..i mean assasinated .. would i have a photo of him over the altar with his head blown off and ask people to eat his brains and drink his blood ?  that would be celebrating the assasination not his life and good deeds, No ?  So putting it in that context i think it makes more of a point ( as crude as it is ) , .. i know the ritual has been shrowded in mystic metaphore but it just dosent add up at least for me it dosent , and i apologise for offending any catholics out there.

    http://www.openminds.tv/lucifer-is-helping-vatican-astronomers-look-for-extraterrestrials-970/19968




    No, not offended. The ritual itself when holding the host up is to ask that Christ Consciousness descend and enter into the representation of the body (a wafer) and blood (wine). It's only a representation to become one in spirit with the Divine.

    perhaps research Tsarion on the rituals of the catholics who have a long history of evil doings, this is most definitely a celebration of rityal sacrifice identicle to that of satanism.

    Is there any reference to it in the bible ? does it say to do this ? im curious

    and why is he depicted srucified ? that makes no sence
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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:44 am

    I've used that JFK example, NANAXII. Did you think of that independently?? If so, it's interesting that more than one person would think in those terms. Job through Daniel needs to be properly understood -- prior to moving-on to other portions of Sacred-Scripture and Religious-Matters (in my view). But really -- why should we trust anything regarding history (sacred or secular)?? The newspapers routinely give us misinformation regarding events which occurred the previous day -- so what about antiquity and the otherworldly?? Does the Bible tell us to go to church on Sunday?? Does the Bible tell us to celebrate the Mass?? Does the Bible give us a description of the Mass?? Here's something to think about. What if the New Testament were held to the Five "Solae" of the Protestant-Reformation?? Does the Old-Testament (properly understood) really support the New Testament?? Was the New Testament essentially "made-up"?? Do the Old and New Testaments (properly understood) really support the theology, ritual, and law of the Roman Catholic Church?? Is it mostly "made-up"?? More importantly -- who has really been at the very-top of the Roman Catholic Church throughout its history?? I keep getting the sinking-feeling that it is a corrupted-version of an idealistic-plan. I keep getting the sinking-feeling that "The Antichrist" has been running Planet-Earth for thousands of years. I continue to toy with the idea that the original-administrator of Earth ("Christ") was replaced by a tougher and nastier administrator ("Antichrist") many thousands of years ago (long before the Roman Catholic Church was invented). Perhaps this was necessary (as crazy as THAT sounds). Things might be bad -- no matter who rules (good or bad). I'll try to take a break -- and then I guess I'll just keep on bi+ching (for better or worse -- I know not). Perhaps I don't want a solution. Perhaps I just wish to bi+ch. Perhaps I'm just a royal-model ankle-biting Pain in Uranus. Perhaps it takes all kinds -- but why?? Consider those five "solae".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_solae The solas (occasionally, solae) of the Protestant Reformation are a set of principles held by theologians and churchmen to be central to that period of change in the western Christian church.[1][2][3][4] Each sola -- from the Latin meaning "alone" or "only" -- represents a key belief in Christian faith held by the Protestant reformers in contradistinction to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church of the day. The Reformers claimed that the Roman Catholic Church, especially its head, the Pope, had usurped divine attributes or qualities for the Church and its hierarchy. The precise number of solas varies among commentators, but lists specifying three and five are common.

    The solas were not systematically articulated together until the 20th century. But sola gratia and sola fide were used in conjunction by the Reformers themselves. For example, in 1554 Melanchthon wrote, "sola gratia justificamus et sola fide justificamur"[5] ("only by grace do you justify and only by faith are we justified"). All of the solas show up in various writings by the Protestant Reformers, but they are not catalogued together by any.[6]

    In 1916, Lutheran scholar Theodore Engelder published an article titled "The Three Principles of the Reformation: Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Sola Fides", ("only scripture, only grace, only faith").[1] In 1934, theologian Emil Brunner substituted Soli Deo gloriam for Sola Scriptura.[7] In 1958, historian Geoffrey Elton, summarizing the work of John Calvin, wrote that Calvin had "joined together" the "great watchwords." Elton listed sola fide with sola gratia as one term, followed by sola scriptura and soli Deo gloria.[8] Later, in commenting on Karl Barth's theological system, Brunner added Christus solus to the litany of solas[9] while leaving out sola scriptura. The first time the additional two solas are mentioned is in Johann Baptiste Metz's 1965, The Church and the World.[10]

    In most of the earliest articulations of the solas, three were typically specified: scripture over tradition, faith over works, and grace over merit, each intended to represent an important distinction compared with Catholic doctrine.[1]

    Sola Scriptura, or "scripture alone," asserts that scripture must govern over church traditions and interpretations which are themselves held to be subject to scripture. All church traditions, creeds, and teachings must be in unity with the teachings of scripture as the divinely inspired Word of God.

    Sola Scriptura asserts that the Bible can and is to be interpreted through itself, with one area of Scripture being useful for interpreting others. That scripture can interpret itself is a means by which to show the unity of Scripture as a whole. As all doctrines are formed via scriptural understandings, all doctrines must be found to align with Scripture and as such are then subject to scripture before the believer can begin to apply them.

    This particular sola is sometimes called the formal principle of the Reformation, since it is the source and norm of the material cause or principle, the gospel of Jesus Christ that is received sola fide ("through faith alone") sola gratia (by God's favor or "grace alone"). The adjective (sola) and the noun (scriptura) are in the ablative case rather than the nominative case to indicate that the Bible does not stand alone apart from God, but rather that it is the instrument of God by which he reveals himself for salvation through faith in Christ (solus Christus or solo Christo).

    Sola fide, or "faith alone", asserts that good works are not a means or requisite for salvation. Sola fide is the teaching that justification (interpreted in Protestant theology as "being declared just by God") is received by faith alone, without any need for good works on the part of the individual. In classical Protestant theology, good works are seen to be evidence of saving faith, but the good works themselves do not determine salvation. Some Protestants see this doctrine as being summarized with the formula "Faith yields justification and good works" and as contrasted with the Roman Catholic formula "Faith and good works yield justification." The Catholic side of the argument is based on James 2:14-17. "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." (James 2:14-17, NKJV)

    In understanding Sola fide, it is important to understand the nuances of difference between Catholic and Protestant notions of the term "justification". Both groups agree that the term invokes a communication of Christ's merits to sinners, not a declaration of sinlessness; Luther used the expression simul justus et peccator ("at the same time justified and a sinner"). However, Roman Catholicism sees justification as a communication of God's life to a human being, cleansing him of sin and transforming him truly into a son of God, so that it is not merely a declaration, but rather the soul is made actually objectively righteous. The Protestant view of justification, by contrast, is that it is the work of God through the means of grace. Faith is the righteousness of God that is accomplished in us through word and sacraments. Law and gospel work to kill the sinful self and to accomplish the new creation within us. This new creation within us is the faith of Christ. If we do not have this faith, then we are ungodly. Indulgences or human prayers add nothing—they are nothing. Everyone has some kind of faith — usually a faith in themselves. But we need God to continually destroy self-righteous faith and to replace it with the life of Christ. We need the faith that comes from God through law and gospel, word, works and sacraments. In the founding document of the Reformation, the 95 Theses, Luther said that 1.) "When our Lord and Master Jesus Christ said, ‘Repent’ (Matthew 4:17) He willed the entire life of believers to be one of repentance." and 95.) And thus be confident of entering into heaven through many tribulations rather than through the false security of peace (Acts 14:22).

    The true distinction, therefore, between the Protestant and the Catholic view of Justification is not an issue of being "declared righteous" versus being "made righteous", but rather it is the means by which one is Justified. In Catholic theology righteous works are considered meritorious toward salvation in addition to faith, whereas in Protestant theology, righteous works are seen as the result and evidence of a truly Justified and Regenerate believer who has received these by Faith Alone. The actual effectual means by which a person receives Justification is also a fundamental division between Catholic and Protestant belief. In Catholic theology, the means by which Justification is applied to the soul is the Sacrament of Baptism. In Baptism, even of infants, the grace of Justification and Sanctification is "infused" into the soul, making the recipient Justified even before he has exercised his own faith (or indeed in the case of an infant who is baptized, before he even has the ability to consciously understand the Gospel and respond with faith). In Catholic theology, faith is not a prerequisite to Justification. For the Catholic, baptism functions "ex opere operato" or "by the working of the act", and thus is the efficient and sufficient act to bring about Justification. In Protestant theology, however the Faith of the individual is absolutely necessary and is itself the efficient and sufficient response of the individual that effects Justification.

    The Sola fide doctrine is sometimes called the material cause or principle of the Reformation because it was the central doctrinal issue for Martin Luther and the other reformers. Luther called it the "doctrine by which the church stands or falls" (Latin, articulus stantis et cadentis ecclesiae).

    Sola gratia, or "only grace", specifically excludes the merit done by a person as part of achieving salvation. Sola gratia is the teaching that salvation comes by divine grace or "unmerited favor" only, not as something merited by the sinner. This means that salvation is an unearned gift from God for Jesus' sake. Some[who?] refer to it as a "de-earned" gift since unbelievers lived in such a way as to forfeit any gift from God. While some maintain that this doctrine is the opposite of "works' righteousness" and conflicts with some of the aspects of the Roman Catholic doctrine of merit, it might be asserted that this article, taken at face value, conflicts in no way with Roman Catholic teaching; while the doctrine that grace is truly and always a gift of God is held in agreement between both views, the difference in doctrine lies mainly in two facts: that of God as sole actor in grace (in other words, that grace is always efficacious without any cooperation by man), and second, that man cannot by any action of his own, acting under the influence of grace, cooperate with grace to "merit" greater graces for himself (the latter would be the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church). This doctrine asserts divine monergism in salvation: God acts alone to save the sinner. The responsibility for salvation does not rest on the sinner to any degree as in "synergism" or Arminianism. Lutheranism holds that this doctrine must not be maintained to the exclusion of gratia universalis (that God seriously wills the salvation of all people).

    Protestant Arminians may also claim the doctrine of sola gratia (but understand it differently) and generally deny the term "synergism" is appropriate to describe their beliefs. Arminians believe that God saves only by grace and not at all by merit, but man, enabled by what is referred to as "prevenient grace", is enabled by the Holy Spirit to understand the Gospel and respond in faith. Arminians believe that this is compatible with salvation by grace alone, since all the actual saving is done by grace. Arminians believe that humans are only capable of receiving salvation when first enabled to do so by prevenient grace, which they believe is distributed to everyone. Arminians therefore do not reject the conception of sola gratia expounded by the Reformation theologians.[11]

    By the middle of the 20th Century, it became common to see the original list of three increased to create five solas. The additions were "Christ alone" and "Glory to God alone".

    "Only Christ" excludes the priestly class as necessary for sacraments. Solus Christus is the teaching that Christ is the only mediator between God and man, and that there is salvation through no other (hence, the phrase is sometimes rendered in the ablative case, solo Christo, meaning that salvation is "by Christ alone"). While rejecting all other mediators between God and man, classical Lutheranism continues to honor the memory of the Virgin Mary and other exemplary saints. This principle rejects "sacerdotalism," which is the belief that there are no sacraments in the church without the services of priests ordained by apostolic succession.The Catholic Church teaches that lay people, and even unbaptized people, can validly baptize, and may do so in an emergency, and that the ministers of the sacrament of matrimony are the people getting married, not the priest, who is only a witness to the marriage, albeit a witness legally required in the modern Western Catholic church. Other sacraments, according to Catholic doctrine, essentially require a bishop or at least a priest in order to be valid. Martin Luther taught the "general priesthood of the baptized," which was modified in later Lutheranism and classical Protestant theology into "the priesthood of all believers," denying the exclusive use of the title "priest" (Latin, sacerdos) to the clergy. This principle does not deny the office of the holy ministry to which is committed the public proclamation of the Gospel and the administration of the sacraments. In this way, Luther in his Small Catechism could speak of the role of "a confessor" to confer sacramental absolution on a penitent. The section in this catechism known as "The Office of the Keys" (not written by Luther but added with his approval) identifies the "called ministers of Christ" as being the ones who exercise the binding and loosing of absolution and excommunication through Law and Gospel ministry. This is laid out in the Lutheran formula of holy absolution: the "called and ordained servant of the Word" forgives penitents' sins (speaks Christ's words of forgiveness: "I forgive you all your sins") without any addition of penances or satisfactions and not as an interceding or mediating "priest," but "by virtue of [his] office as a called and ordained servant of the Word" and "in the stead and by the command of [his] Lord Jesus Christ" [The Lutheran Hymnal, (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1941), p. 16]. In this tradition absolution reconciles the penitent with God directly through faith in Christ's forgiveness rather than with the priest and the church as mediating entities between the penitent and God.

    Soli Deo gloria means "glory to God alone" and it stands in opposition to the veneration or "cult", perceived by many to be present in the Roman Catholic Church, of Mary the mother of Jesus, the saints, or angels. Soli Deo gloria is the teaching that all glory is to be due to God alone, since salvation is accomplished solely through His will and action — not only the gift of the all-sufficient atonement of Jesus on the cross but also the gift of faith in that atonement, created in the heart of the believer by the Holy Spirit. The reformers believed that human beings —even saints canonized by the Roman Catholic Church, the popes, and the ecclesiastical hierarchy— are not worthy of the glory that was accorded them; that is, one should not exalt such humans for their good works, but rather praise and give glory to God who is the author and sanctifier of these people and their good works. It is not clear the extent to which such inappropriate veneration is actually approved by the Roman Catholic Church and so the extent to which this Sola is one of justified opposition is unclear. The Roman Catholic's official position, for example as described in the documents of the Second Vatican Council, make it clear that God alone is deserving of glory.

    More recently, certain Anglican scholars have suggested that there should be a further two additional solas on the list, bringing the total to seven: Sola ecclesia ("the Church alone") and Sola caritas ("Charitable-love alone").[12][13][14]

    Citations

    1.^ Jump up to: a b c Engelder, T. in "Four Hundred Years: Commemorative Essays on the Reformation of Dr. Martin Luther and Its Blessed Results", Prof. W.H.T. Dau (ed), Page 97
    2.Jump up ^ Anderson, Matthew "The Three Reformation Solas and 21st Century Ethical Issues"
    3.Jump up ^ Cary, Phillip "Great Minds of the Western Intellectual Tradition", Chapter 24: Calvin and Protestantism
    4.Jump up ^ Lutheran Ministerium and Synod - USA, "The Solas of the Reformation"
    5.Jump up ^ Melancthon, Works, 357
    6.Jump up ^ Jacob Corzine, cited in Theology is Eminently Practical
    7.Jump up ^ Emil Brunner, The Mediator, p. 295
    8.Jump up ^ Geoffrey Elton, The New Cambridge Modern History, 118
    9.Jump up ^ Brunner, Dogmatics, 221
    10.Jump up ^ Metz, Johan Baptiste "The Church and the World", 143
    11.Jump up ^ See "Myth 7: Arminianism Is Not a Theology of Grace" in Roger E Olsen, Arminian Theology: Myths and Realities, 2006.
    12.Jump up ^ Bruce Atkins, The Seven Solas: Toward Reconciling Evangelical and Anglo-Catholic Perspectives
    13.Jump up ^ Rich Leonardi, Sola fide? Sola caritas
    14.Jump up ^ Michael J. Glodo, Sola Ecclesia: The Lost Reformation Doctrine

    References

    Articles on the Five Solas – from a conservative Calvinistic perspective
    FiveSolas.com – a Reformed page devoted to the Solas
    "What do Lutherans believe?" – a Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod exposition of three of the solas
    Hahn, Scott; Knudson, Robert, The Justification Debate, archived from the original on 2011-01-04, retrieved 4 November 2012
    Reformed Theology, by R. Michael Allen, Continuum International Publishing Group, 2010, p. 77

    Carol wrote:
    Maybe it's this in disguise.

    UNPRECEDENTED COSMIC WAVE TO IMPACT EARTH IN LATE SEPTEMBER 2015 - ARCHANGEL MICHAEL WEBSITE

    http://micahangel.weebly.com/michaels-blog/unprecedented-cosmic-wave-to-impact-earth-in-late-september-2015

    You should know by now I only believe it AFTER the fact as the whole prediction thingy has been so off for so many years that I only post this for the entertainment factor alone.
    lol!
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    Carol's words: "I only post this for the entertainment factor alone" lol!

    I agree with you, Carol, that often these news items prove later to be a storm in a cup of tea....
    and also I'm with you, in believing AFTER the fact. Haven't we been fed this sort of "entertainment" for aeons,
    by our parents, vicars, ministers, governments, the cinema and the telly, causing us to grow into a state of
    fear and survival, many of us finds themselves in now?
    orthodoxymoron wrote:I continue to think that studying the World-Wars and the Nazi-Phenomenon is MOST Instructive. Predictive-Prophecy is Shifting-Sand. I combine Biblical-Prophecy with Science-Fiction -- but I don't shout "FIRE!!" in crowded internet-forums!! I simply live a life of "quiet-desperation"...


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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  NANUXII on Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:09 pm

    Yes i agree i believe its been hijacked , this is my point. And yes i want to move on , i know what im pointing out may offend some , its not my intention however i feel strongly about it.  

    Your point about a new tougher representative has creedence not only in logic but historically its been seen time and time again. The main difference between the two is one is willing to threaten and even dispose of any one in their way where as the good side tends to steer clear of that hence why the good ones end up being taken out.

    with that model , even though the evil side is fewer we tend to see now it taking a stronger foot hold in society and digging its self into most parts of the world. It seems the western sectre and europe is most affected by this group.

    and yes i came up with that one about jfk , use liberally


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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:45 pm

    Thank-you NANUXII. I wonder if a "Reintroduced Good-Guy" would be labeled "The Antichrist"?! Would they be expected to take the "Ancient Bad-Guy" out -- and make things "The Way They Were Before the War (Status Quo Ante Bellum)"?? Or would they be expected to make a gradual reformation -- leading from the "Way Things Are" to "The Way Things Should Be"?? I think I've walked into a Spiritual-War largely naïve and unprepared. I've created several threads as sort of a Toccata -- and now I think I need to silently compose the Fugue. I'm honestly going to try to not post for a while. BTW -- I honestly and originally posted a JFK example similar to yours (approximately five years ago). I think it was on my www.redletterchurch.net website (which was removed from my ownership -- even though I was paid-up several years in advance -- and the web-address subsequently completely removed from the internet). Luckily -- I had a copy of the contents of that site which I have reposted on this website. I'll see if I can locate that JFK example. Here is an old Red Letter Church thread on the long-closed original Project Avalon site. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13495&highlight=letter+church


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    Post  NANUXII on Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:47 pm

    great minds : 0)

    coordinates in space

    intersection of logic

    something in that

    hmm


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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:15 pm

    I still can't find that JFK example. I didn't include the brains part. I basically described post-offices featuring pictures of the JFK assassination as being an inappropriate way of honoring John Fitzgerald Kennedy. A crucifix seems to depict a Defeated God -- rather than a Victorious and Glorious God. But really -- is there Biblical and Theological consistency regarding Jesus as God (as being as much God as God the Father)?? If Jesus is God -- why does he have to intercede between Humanity and God?? Is Jesus a Local-God and/or a Universal-God?? Are the Four-Gospels 100% Gospel-Truth?? BTW -- here is a more complete version of Red Letter Church (within this website from around 2010). http://mistsofavalon.heavenforum.org/t1040-red-letter-church?highlight=red+letter+church My thinking has changed a bit (for better or worse -- I know not) -- but I'm leaving everything "As-Is" for the record. Consider the following four Ellen White books (in the following order) as being an alternate view of "Christ".

    1. Prophets and Kings.
    2. Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing.
    3. Christ's Object Lessons.
    4. The Acts of the Apostles.

    The composite-view consists of interesting Christology, Soteriology, and Eschatology. I might not post again -- for several days -- for several weeks -- for several months -- for several years -- or for all eternity. Namaste and Godspeed.


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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  B.B.Baghor on Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:36 pm

    Jesus: Fundamental to This Year of Extraordinary Change is the Expansion of Heart Consciousness
    April 19, 2016 by Therese Zumi Sumner



    Counciloflove.com, April 16, 2016

    Greetings, I am Jesus Sananda. Yes, Master, Keeper of the Magenta Flame, and yes, in trinity with the Buddha, with Maitreya, my brother of the East, Horseman of the East, many ways related to Archangel Uriel, Bringer of the Future, and my brothers and sisters, the future is now.

    I have said to thee that 2016 is a year of extraordinary change, and those changes, beloveds, are well underway. Open your eyes, open your heart and look around.

    What is the extraordinary change? What is the most extraordinary change? The change is you. The change is within the hearts and minds and will and alignment of the human beings, of the collective, as they step forth in their knowing and their beingness of love and the action of love. And whether that action is standing, sitting, lying perfectly still and transmitting out to 7 billion people or whether it is nurturing a child or working with the sick and lame, it matters not because   of awareness, of the acceptance of surrender and the implementation, integration, of your interdimensional, multidimensional selves.

    Now, what does this mean in the practical terms that we have so often spoken about? It means, sweet angels, that you are taking the time, the consciousness, to align with Universal Law. Your entire planet, and far beyond the omniverse is governed, as designed by the Mother’s pattern and will, by Universal Law. We have shared this with thee time and time again and certainly Sanat Kumara continues to implement and work this with each and every one of you.

    But it is the conscious choosing – I now work with the Law of Attraction and Repulsion; I now work with the Law of Above and Below, Within and Without; I work with the Law of Transmutation and Transformation; I work with the Law of Change; I work with the Law of Elimination.

    And you work with these laws, not only in tandem with your sacred self and your stranger, but with the entire collective. You are using these laws and the energy that fuels these laws, which is love, to change the entire planet and far beyond.

    When you come from a place of heart knowingness, of heart centeredness, you have already completed most of your ascension. It has never been about departure from this planet. It has always been about the restoration of our Mother’s Plan upon this planet of love, to be the embodiment, the experience and expression of love, of being a planet where angels come to play and to know what human experience looks, feels, smells, and tastes like.

    Have you endured? Yes. But, have you embraced the joy, the satisfaction, the knowing, the play, the fullness of your adventure as yet? No. That is what you are beginning, yes beginning to do. You say, “But Lord, I have been at this for 40 years, 20 years, 10 years, 2 months.” It matters not. Sweet angels you are still at the beginning. Yes, you are in the brackets of this lifetime, but in the infinite, eternal experience of the Mother and what is possible to experience and know in terms of love, in terms of alignment, of creation of Nova Earth and Nova Being, you are at the beginning.

    I do not say this in the way of minimizing or dismissing your efforts. I say this to encourage you, to say to you, “There is so much more. There is so much more joy, more love, more trust, more compassion, more grace.”

    And you know what the result of that is? It isn’t sitting around in a church or a temple or a cave feeling holy. It’s walking the streets with each other hugging and skipping and laughing – laughing so hard that you are rolling on the floor. That you are so excited that you can’t wait for the next day because you know the unfoldment lies in front of you. And that the adventure is so big and so much fun, and everything that you have ever dreamed of, that you are embracing it wholeheartedly.

    And you are saying to me, to the Mother, to the Father, to the One, to the entire Council, “Bring it on!” This is not simply about the refined pattern of balance. This is about you claiming your birthright, living your birthright, dancing your birthright of joy.

    The extraordinary change is you waking up every morning and knowing how deeply you are loved and loveable, and that we, you and I, are in sacred union, sacred partnership and that you, in your divinity, are the expression of love in form, that you give, receive, and are the awe and the wonder of that expression and that experience.

    Look for the extraordinary change within you and then look, observe, and participate in the extraordinary changes around you. They are there. Identify, expand, embrace and keep going. And go with my love. Farewell.

    Channeled by Linda Dillon 04-16-16
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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:39 pm


    Regarding The Hidden Story of Jesus -- what and/or where is the Old, Old Story of Jesus and His Love in the Old Testament (as the Pre-Incarnate Second-Member of the Trinity)?? Regarding The Hidden Story of Jesus -- what and/or where is the Old, Old Story of Jesus and His Love (As Told in the Four-Gospels) in Acts Through Revelation?? I'm frankly disillusioned by Theology As Usual -- and by Flowery New Age Mumbo-Jumbo. I've tried Unorthodox-Approaches (with mixed-results) over the past several years -- and I've finally ended-up taking a closer-look at what the scholars from the Church of My Youth were writing in the 1950's (as backward and uninteresting as THAT sounds)!! I've linked this study to Sacred Classical Music -- Classical Church-Architecture -- and Natural-Farming (as old and odd as THAT sounds)!! I think things are going to get REALLY screwed-up for a while -- as the Info-War intensifies. There's probably no nice and delicate way to do this. Unfortunately, a lot of fine people and not so fine people are going to get hurt. I've already been badly-burned.

    I recently made a couple of posts on another website -- which were almost immediately deleted without explanation. The posts mirrored some aspects of my last few posts on The Mists. They were small and sterile compared to what I routinely post on this site -- but I sort of expected the censorship -- judging from past experience. I won't be posting on that site anymore -- which I'm sure will not cause weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Just the opposite. I should've learned my lesson from past bad-experiences involving misuse and abuse. There's nothing quite like Christian Love!! To top it off -- an individual of interest didn't show-up as expected -- and I think I might know why. I'm sorry about my posting. I am quite bold and forward -- yet I am also quite neutral and emotionless. I reveal things without rancor. I never tell anyone they're "going to hell" or the equivalent. I like to think I could talk about the most upsetting subjects without losing my cool -- but I know that isn't true. I've already been highly-embarrassed -- but I don't think I've seen anything yet!! I think I've been extremely sheltered and/or ignored. I think any sort of "hot-seat" would destroy me. I'm a slow and methodical (research and reflect) kind of guy. I never feel the need to lead -- but I often feel the need for information and access. I'm increasingly feeling the need to retreat into some illusion of privacy and safety (even though I know there is no such thing anymore). I think I've made myself extremely-vulnerable in the past couple of days. Some of this was by accident -- and some of it was by design. I think we've been on the brink for years -- but some sort of severe-meltdown in the next couple of weeks or months wouldn't surprise me one little bit. I've been somewhat critical of Solar-System Administration (ancient and modern) yet I've mostly been engaging in a process of Discovery rather than Condemnation and Damnation. Reprehensible-Governance Methodologies and Realities might be Inevitable -- Regardless of Idealism and Competence (Or Lack Thereof).

    Check this out!! http://www.lifeassuranceministries.com/pdf%20files/Cottrell%201844.pdf It's probably fortunate that a lot of my posts are speculative, unsubstantiated, and science-fictional. If they were substantiated-fact, we'd all be in a hell of a lot of trouble!! It's going to be a relief to stop modeling strange ideas and personalities!! I have a huge amount of reading to do!! I'm going to try to not spend much time on the internet. I stopped watching television several years ago -- so perhaps I can stop surfing the internet. Becoming a Latter-day Luddite is quite appealing, at this point!! Consider prayerfully and carefully studying Ethics, Law, Law-Enforcement, and the Military in Each of the 66 Books of the Bible -- noting the differences and similarities from book to book. Overall, what is "Biblical" regarding Ethics, Law, Law-Enforcement, and the Military (for Jews, Gentiles, and All-Concerned in Antiquity and Modernity)?? Once again, imagine the intense and disciplined study of Sacred Classical Music and the SDA Bible Commentary in the Context of a Cathedral and/or an Ivy-League University!! What Would Dr. A. Graham Maxwell Say?? What Would HMS Richards Say??  Ellen White meets Notre Dame??!! What Would Marcel Dupre Say?? What Would Dr. Angela Kraft Cross Say?? What Would Monseigneur Bowe Say?? What Would Brother Michael Say?? What Would Brother Rich Say?? What Would Sister Angie Say??

    Imagine a School consisting of the Abbey in the Second-Season of Helix which taught Sacred Classical Music -- The SDA Bible Commentary -- and Farming!! This wouldn't necessarily be any religion. It would simply be an experiment. Each-Day might be a combination of a School-Day -- Sabbath-Day -- and a Work-Day with Meditative-Work!! I work on the Sabbath -- but it's Meditative-Work -- which doesn't make it OK -- but it might not be NOT OK in someone's reckoning!! What I'm suggesting is probably nearly impossible. It might work on another planet -- but probably not on this one!! Still -- I think there is a logical-purity connected with this concept!! I'm not going to explain or elaborate -- but someone might understand what I'm talking about!! Living this life might be Heaven on Earth -- but would it prepare one for the Real-World?? Probably Not!! My Final-Answer is Probably "Reading the SDA Bible Commentary straight-through (over and over) while listening to Sacred Classical Music -- in one's own way and time -- plus nothing." Perhaps I should leave it at that -- and just move on. I think I've made a mess of things -- and perhaps I should simply cease and desist for the remainder of this incarnation. Another Thing. Consider "Commandments" from Genesis to Revelation. One Last Thing. Think long and hard about the last dozen posts. Long and Hard Indeed...

    Commandments www.biblerick.com/c511.htm#c511

    01-GENESIS

    01-26:5     Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

    02-EXODUS

    02-15:26    And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

    02-16:28    And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

    02-20:6     And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

    02-24:12    And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

    02-34:28    And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

    03-LEVITICUS

    03-4:2      Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:

    03-4:13     And if the whole congregation of Israel sin through ignorance, and the thing be hid from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which should not be done, and are guilty;

    03-4:22     When a ruler hath sinned, and done somewhat through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD his God concerning things which should not be done, and is guilty;

    03-4:27     And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;

    03-5:17     And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the LORD; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

    03-22:31    Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the LORD.

    03-26:3     If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;

    03-26:14    But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;

    03-26:15    And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:

    03-27:34    These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

    04-NUMBERS

    04-15:22    And if ye have erred, and not observed all these commandments, which the LORD hath spoken unto Moses,

    04-15:39    And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:

    04-15:40    That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.

    04-36:13    These are the commandments and the judgments, which the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses unto the children of Israel in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho.

    05-DEUTERONOMY

    05-4:2      Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

    05-4:13     And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

    05-4:40     Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever.

    05-5:10     And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

    05-5:29     O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

    05-5:31     But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.

    05-6:1      Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:

    05-6:2      That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son’s son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

    05-6:17     Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.

    05-6:25     And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

    05-7:9      Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

    05-7:11     Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

    05-8:1      All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.

    05-8:2      And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

    05-8:6      Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

    05-8:11     Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God, in not keeping his commandments, and his judgments, and his statutes, which I command thee this day:

    05-10:4     And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

    05-10:13    To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?

    05-11:1     Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.

    05-11:8     Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it;

    05-11:13    And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

    05-11:22    For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

    05-11:27    A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

    05-11:28    And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

    05-13:4     Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

    05-13:18    When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

    05-15:5     Only if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all these commandments which I command thee this day.

    05-19:9     If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in his ways; then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these three:

    05-26:13    Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them:

    05-26:17    Thou hast avouched the LORD this day to be thy God, and to walk in his ways, and to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and to hearken unto his voice:

    05-26:18    And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments;

    05-27:1     And Moses with the elders of Israel commanded the people, saying, Keep all the commandments which I command you this day.

    05-27:10    Thou shalt therefore obey the voice of the LORD thy God, and do his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

    05-28:1     And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

    05-28:9     The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.

    05-28:13    And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

    05-28:15    But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

    05-28:45    Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

    05-30:8     And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

    05-30:10    If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

    05-30:16    In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

    05-31:5     And the LORD shall give them up before your face, that ye may do unto them according unto all the commandments which I have commanded you.

    06-JOSHUA

    06-22:5     But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.

    07-JUDGES

    07-2:17     And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.

    07-3:4      And they were to prove Israel by them, to know whether they would hearken unto the commandments of the LORD, which he commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses.

    09-1 SAMUEL

    09-15:11    It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

    11-1 KINGS

    11-2:3      And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:

    11-3:14     And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.

    11-6:12     Concerning this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in my statutes, and execute my judgments, and keep all my commandments to walk in them; then will I perform my word with thee, which I spake unto David thy father:

    11-8:58     That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.

    11-8:61     Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.

    11-9:6      But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:

    11-11:34    Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant’s sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:

    11-11:38    And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.

    11-14:8     And rent the kingdom away from the house of David, and gave it thee: and yet thou hast not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments, and who followed me with all his heart, to do that only which was right in mine eyes;

    11-18:18    And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father’s house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim.

    12-2 KINGS

    12-17:13    Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.

    12-17:16    And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.

    12-17:19    Also Judah kept not the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the statutes of Israel which they made.

    12-18:6     For he clave to the LORD, and departed not from following him, but kept his commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses.

    12-23:3     And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

    13-1 CHRONICLES

    13-28:7     Moreover I will establish his kingdom for ever, if he be constant to do my commandments and my judgments, as at this day.

    13-28:8     Now therefore in the sight of all Israel the congregation of the LORD, and in the audience of our God, keep and seek for all the commandments of the LORD your God: that ye may possess this good land, and leave it for an inheritance for your children after you for ever.

    13-29:19    And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision.

    14-2 CHRONICLES

    14-7:19     But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;

    14-17:4     But sought to the LORD God of his father, and walked in his commandments, and not after the doings of Israel.

    14-24:20    And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of the LORD, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken the LORD, he hath also forsaken you.

    14-31:21    And in every work that he began in the service of the house of God, and in the law, and in the commandments, to seek his God, he did it with all his heart, and prospered.

    14-34:31    And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, to perform the words of the covenant which are written in this book.

    15-EZRA

    15-7:11     Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel.

    15-9:10     And now, O our God, what shall we say after this? for we have forsaken thy commandments,

    15-9:14     Should we again break thy commandments, and join in affinity with the people of these abominations? wouldest not thou be angry with us till thou hadst consumed us, so that there should be no remnant nor escaping?

    16-NEHEMIAH

    16-1:5      And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

    16-1:7      We have dealt very corruptly against thee, and have not kept the commandments, nor the statutes, nor the judgments, which thou commandedst thy servant Moses.

    16-1:9      But if ye turn unto me, and keep my commandments, and do them; though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven, yet will I gather them from thence, and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there.

    16-9:13     Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:

    16-9:16     But they and our fathers dealt proudly, and hardened their necks, and hearkened not to thy commandments,

    16-9:29     And testifiedst against them, that thou mightest bring them again unto thy law: yet they dealt proudly, and hearkened not unto thy commandments, but sinned against thy judgments, (which if a man do, he shall live in them;) and withdrew the shoulder, and hardened their neck, and would not hear.

    16-9:34     Neither have our kings, our princes, our priests, nor our fathers, kept thy law, nor hearkened unto thy commandments and thy testimonies, wherewith thou didst testify against them.

    16-10:29    They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God’s law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

    19-PSALMS

    19-78:7       That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:

    19-89:31      If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

    19-103:18     To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

    19-103:20     Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

    19-111:7      The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.

    19-111:10     The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

    19-112:1      Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments.

    19-119:6      Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.

    19-119:10     With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.

    19-119:19     I am a stranger in the earth: hide not thy commandments from me.

    19-119:21     Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments.

    19-119:32     I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart.

    19-119:35     Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight.

    19-119:47     And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved.

    19-119:48     My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved; and I will meditate in thy statutes.

    19-119:60     I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments.

    19-119:66     Teach me good judgment and knowledge: for I have believed thy commandments.

    19-119:73     JOD. Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments.

    19-119:86     All thy commandments are faithful: they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.

    19-119:98     Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.

    19-119:115    Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God.

    19-119:127    Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold.

    19-119:131    I opened my mouth, and panted: for I longed for thy commandments.

    19-119:143    Trouble and anguish have taken hold on me: yet thy commandments are my delights.

    19-119:151    Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

    19-119:166    LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments.

    19-119:172    My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

    19-119:176    I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

    20-PROVERBS

    20-2:1      My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;

    20-3:1      My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:

    20-4:4      He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.

    20-7:1      My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.

    20-7:2      Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

    20-10:8     The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.

    21-ECCLESIASTES

    21-12:13    Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

    23-ISAIAH

    23-48:18    O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

    27-DANIEL

    27-9:4      And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

    30-AMOS

    30-2:4      Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have despised the law of the LORD, and have not kept his commandments, and their lies caused them to err, after the which their fathers have walked:

    40-Matthew

    40-5:19     Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    40-15:9     But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    40-19:17    And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    40-22:40    On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    41-Mark

    41-7:7      Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    41-10:19    Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

    41-12:29    And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

    42-Luke

    42-1:6      And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

    42-18:20    Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

    43-John

    43-14:15    If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    43-14:21    He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    43-15:10    If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

    44-Acts

    44-1:2      Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

    46-1 Corinthians

    46-7:19     Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

    46-14:37    If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

    49-Ephesians

    49-2:15     Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

    51-Colossians

    51-2:22     Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

    51-4:10     Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister’s son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him;)

    52-1 Thessalonians

    52-4:2      For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

    56-Titus

    56-1:14     Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

    62-1 John

    62-2:3      And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    62-2:4      He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    62-3:22     And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

    62-3:24     And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

    62-5:2      By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

    62-5:3      For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    63-2 John

    63-1:6      And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

    66-Revelation

    66-12:17    And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    66-14:12    Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    66-22:14    Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.












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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  B.B.Baghor on Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:49 am

    I'm not much interested in Bible texts anymore, since I fell in the cauldron of my father's church institute, as a minister's daughter.
    I can't drink from that goblet, I'm not allowed to, just like Obelix is refused to drink from the magic potion for strength.
    Neither do I feel inclined to take charismatic people serious, be it in religious, economic or in banking circles (are they really different?)

    People believe in what they want to believe, by a little persuasion in the direction of where they're already going or marvel at.
    Helen White, to me, is a woman who seems "touched by the Holy Spirit" in the eyes of her followers and co-workers in church,
    but she could've been touched by an entity that knew the tricks of the trade in religious matters, its effect on a human herd,
    meanwhile happy to be nurtured by a nice salad of mixed emotions in greens, reds and yellows, covered with Hallelujah sauce.

    I'm brutally sarcastic, ortho, for I've experienced the process within and of people giving away their willpower and discernment.
    The power of persuasion is an example of how we, mostly without knowing it, are so much more than our mundane human nature,
    adorned with skills and qualities that generally are dormant. Those who are awake to the abuse of such powers, are the ones we
    need to keep on a distance, if we want to be free. Of course I know of the expression "the truth will set you free" but that truth
    isn't about accepting the authority of a God, on the contrary, it's about self-knowledge and the acceptance of the truth in it.

    Call it the truth as a voice of God within, an inner deity or higher self. No matter what truth, all shades of the rainbow colours
    are presented to us Earthlings. With all the cards on the table, the game can begin. You may deal the cards and from than on
    you've got to find your way how to relate to what life begins to show you, with people, things and events affecting you.
    Than, you need to choose what to do with it and how, there's no manual for life, as I see it. No computer program, no chip.

    I've seen charismatic people in my life, in groups, attending workshops and on stage in front of such groups. When such a person
    is entering an exalted state due to resonating with higher dimensions and that person isn't properly grown into it with self knowledge,
    a Messianic behavior appears. That person begins to preach and show siddhis, for having touched that level, briefly.
    Regarding mindprogramming of a group of people, being in resonance with the "vox populi" isn't necessarily the voice of truth.
    Still, it's a process of self-hypnosis, happening in each church service all over the world, those that are free excluded from it.

    The text I can relate to much, is the one by Fukuoka. He's the guy who grew his crops and allowed all the weeds to stay on the
    spot where they grew up, finding the balance in letting them grow or pull them out, used as compost for the crops that were meant
    to grow up. He believed that the crust of planet Earth should be covered by growth and never barren. I like that a lot.

    I myself can choose to be a weed happily growing or a weed pulled out in order to nurture other plants. I'm a sunflower Cheerful
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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:18 pm

    Thank-you B.B. I understand and appreciate what you said -- and I agree with most of it. I'm simply attempting to reach a level of understanding which is seldom achieved on a Road to Utopia (Less Travelled). I continue to think that it's probably fortunate that very few people (and other than people) resonate with my Pseudo-Intellectual Quest. My ongoing commitment to obscurity and obfuscation is probably absolutely necessary. I think I've stumbled into some pretty crazy stuff (which I'm not prepared to deal with). I've probably already placed way too much on the table -- and I've attempted to put the genie back in the bottle. One more thing. I just noticed that John Sheridan's wife Anna Sheridan (in Babylon 5) was played by Melissa Gilbert (from Little House on the Prairie ). Some of you might know why I might find that somewhat interesting -- but I'm not going to talk about it -- other than to say that I know someone who lived in a Little House on the Prairie.







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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  B.B.Baghor on Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:41 pm

    You've got a unique way of keeping some of us here intrigued. It's probably not due to charisma but rathewr the opposite,
    sort of eyore gloominess, mixed with some ingredient called "I know something that you can't possibly know of" suspense.
    Tomorrow is the British Queen's 90'th birthday, when I mention her as the last living fossil on the planet, everybody roars
    with laughter. I've learned to understand the peculiar cynicism towards royalty and government here a little bit.
    Don't know why I tell you this, for it's entirely off topic. But to return a bit on my steps I end with "God save the Queen!"
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    Re: The Hidden Story of Jesus

    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:01 pm

    Thank-you B.B. The Mean Queen Theme has everything to do with my internet-posting!! Actually Queen v Queen has everything to do with my internet-posting!! False-Flag or Real-Deal?? If you only knew what I really think about!! What Would Lilith Say?? What Would Joseph Say?? What Would Dr. Who Say?? What Would Eve Say?? What Would the Queen of Sheba Say?? What Would King David's Grand-Daughter Say?? What Would Michael and Gabriel Say?? What Would the Ancient Egyptian Deity Say?? What Would Raven Say?? What Would Jupiter Jones Say?? I HATE this sort of posting -- so why do I do it?? Why am I left to twist slowly, slowly in the wind -- year after year?? I HATE my life. This stuff is so sad and ridiculous -- that it's actually quite funny!! What if "Lucifer" is a job-title rather than a particular-angel?? What if "Christ" is a job-title rather than a particular-deity?? What if Michael and Gabriel have had both titles (at different times)?? Who was the "Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World"?? I continue to think that it might be extremely important to differentiate between a Local-God and the God of the Universe!! What if Local-Gods sometimes exaggerate?? Why am I HATED when I SPECULATE?? Shouldn't we consider ALL Possibilities prior to rendering the most important decisions imaginable??













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    Post  B.B.Baghor on Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:12 pm

    Ortho yelling "Shouldn't we consider ALL Possibilities prior to rendering the most important decisions imaginable??"

    I honestly believe that sometimes decisions determine the showing up of possibilities. Or in other words, it's due to a decision
    that windows of possibilities open, as I perceive in my life. Maybe we should erase the gap or difference between decision and
    intention, to put that opening in motion? To me, it has everything to do with the willingness or a jump into an unknown space,
    saying YES to life and afterwards trust that life shows up. Even when in hate, that energy can be used and transformed into its
    opposite. But than again it's about intention. What would you've liked to happen, before all that happened wasn't to your liking?

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    Post  orthodoxymoron on Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:42 pm

    Thank-you B.B. My decision is to consider my internet-posting from every conceivable angle for the rest of my life -- without saying or doing much of anything with the results of my research. The reality is that I'll probably be creating a defense for myself -- simply because I think I might be in more trouble than just about anyone else in the universe (and that's without knowing any of the gory and reprehensible details). It's just a sinking and sickening feeling I just can't shake. Once I exposed myself, I seemed to become a sitting-duck for every Galactic Tom, Dick, and Harry with an Ancient-Grudge (and I wish I were kidding). The Ancient Egyptian Deity said "You're Lucky to be Alive!!" -- "I'm Tired of Keeping You Alive!!" -- and "I Could Snap My Fingers, and You'd be DEAD!!" The AED also thought that even the Women and Children deserved to die in the Ancient Roman Colosseum. They thought people deserved to die presently. They questioned my honesty when I suggested that I wished for things to work out well for All-Concerned. Other individuals of interest have spoken of an Immanent End of the World with 80% of the population NOT Surviving. Just read Genesis through Deuteronomy -- and the Book of Revelation -- for confirmation that Humanity is in HUGE Trouble. I've suggested taking a closer look at 1 Chronicles to Malachi -- and Acts to Ephesians -- which are covered in the SDA Bible Commentary (Volumes 3, 4, 6). I continue to think that the Bible is sort of similar to a Ticking Time-Bomb which must be properly disarmed if we wish to survive. This isn't a matter of "I Love the Bible" or "I Hate the Bible". That might be beside the point. I keep wondering if Gabriel has Humanity by the Balls (possibly for some VERY Legitimate Reasons)??!! But I often wonder if Michael is somehow a Hidden Partner in Crime (possibly for some VERY Legitimate Reasons)??!! Finally, I often wonder if Lucifer is somehow a Phantom Fall-Guy and/or Eschatological Scapegoat (who might not even exist as a separate and distinct Angelic and/or Demonic Being??!! But how is a Completely Ignorant Fool supposed to KNOW Anything for Certain (Regarding Antiquity and the Otherworldly)??!! World Without End. Almond Raw.

    "Why You Two-Faced Back-Stabbing S.O.B.!!"

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